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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program
Who runs the HUMINT in the middle east? Starts with an M ends with a D.. Mossad.
So now you don't dispute it?
Yes, it's called confirmation bias. Israel knew the intel was wrong, could have corrected it and the US and UK (Australia as well) could avoided invading Iraq and finding absolutely nothing claimed in the conformation bias. But no, Israel acted in it's own selfish interest instead of the interest of it's ally. Like I said.. I will NEVER EVER trust Israeli intel after Iraq. Just like I don't trust Israeli intel the US is using to justify pressure on Syria and Iran.. neither are US's self interest as of now.
That's a solid, you are right.
Woah, Woah.. Germany coded him as "off limits" because BND thought he was anti-American but still fed his story to the US. When they learned he was pro-American, the US was given access to him. Both with access and without the US intel was warned he was a liar and crazy. BND and CIA's own people said this. It was ignored for political reasons (conformation bias).
Curveball 's story was exactly what Mossad told the UN inspectors in 1994.
And that's the problem you fail to understand. Having MEK (a terrorist group) do the work with Mossad help only confirms the position Iran has been telling the world for the last 30 years. It also makes Iran victims of terrorism. It's a huge double standard. One I don't accept. You either fighting to get rid of all terrorism or you aren't fighting terror, rather you are selective hypocrites trying to justify a larger objective which nobody would support.
It's actually not. Opening a partnership with Iran either via Russia or ourselves is much much more preferable. Iran needs nuclear power, nuclear medicine and such. It was the plan laid out by the Shah starting in the 1970s. The goal was to build 22 Nuclear power plants by 2000. Iran's civilian power projects were halted until 1980s. Back in 1980s German intel was claiming Iran would have a nuke in 2 years, that never panned out. Iran was getting enriched material for years for scientific research and to help fuel some of the plants finished. IAEA were given full access in 1992. They found nothing.
Iran made a huge gesture in 2003 to the US. That anybody in their right mind would have taken and Bush ignored it. Called the "Grand Bargain". Iran was offering the kitchen sink. Everything for stopping support of Hamas, pushing Hezbollah into a political org and accepting the "Two State" solution which all of the US's Middle Eastern allies held and granting 100% access. All Iran wanted was civilian tech and an formal relationship. When that was nixed Iran had only one option after Iraq. That was to try and get their hands on a nuke and was only confirmed as the right answer after North Korea tested and flaunted that premise.
US-Iranian relations should have been opened up in 2003 publicly and directly instead of relying on the Swiss. Much like US relations with China opened up during Nixon admin and that didn't require a regime change nor China recognizing Taiwan. Rather it was just a mutual exchange based on trade. It's worked out well for the last 30 years for both parties.
Now, I don't know what Obama and Kerry are playing at. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's close to the Grand Bargain proposed in 2003.
Who runs the HUMINT in the middle east? Starts with an M ends with a D.. Mossad.
So now you don't dispute it?
Yes, it's called confirmation bias. Israel knew the intel was wrong, could have corrected it and the US and UK (Australia as well) could avoided invading Iraq and finding absolutely nothing claimed in the conformation bias. But no, Israel acted in it's own selfish interest instead of the interest of it's ally. Like I said.. I will NEVER EVER trust Israeli intel after Iraq. Just like I don't trust Israeli intel the US is using to justify pressure on Syria and Iran.. neither are US's self interest as of now.
That's a solid, you are right.
Woah, Woah.. Germany coded him as "off limits" because BND thought he was anti-American but still fed his story to the US. When they learned he was pro-American, the US was given access to him. Both with access and without the US intel was warned he was a liar and crazy. BND and CIA's own people said this. It was ignored for political reasons (conformation bias).
Curveball 's story was exactly what Mossad told the UN inspectors in 1994.
And that's the problem you fail to understand. Having MEK (a terrorist group) do the work with Mossad help only confirms the position Iran has been telling the world for the last 30 years. It also makes Iran victims of terrorism. It's a huge double standard. One I don't accept. You either fighting to get rid of all terrorism or you aren't fighting terror, rather you are selective hypocrites trying to justify a larger objective which nobody would support.
It's actually not. Opening a partnership with Iran either via Russia or ourselves is much much more preferable. Iran needs nuclear power, nuclear medicine and such. It was the plan laid out by the Shah starting in the 1970s. The goal was to build 22 Nuclear power plants by 2000. Iran's civilian power projects were halted until 1980s. Back in 1980s German intel was claiming Iran would have a nuke in 2 years, that never panned out. Iran was getting enriched material for years for scientific research and to help fuel some of the plants finished. IAEA were given full access in 1992. They found nothing.
Iran made a huge gesture in 2003 to the US. That anybody in their right mind would have taken and Bush ignored it. Called the "Grand Bargain". Iran was offering the kitchen sink. Everything for stopping support of Hamas, pushing Hezbollah into a political org and accepting the "Two State" solution which all of the US's Middle Eastern allies held and granting 100% access. All Iran wanted was civilian tech and an formal relationship. When that was nixed Iran had only one option after Iraq. That was to try and get their hands on a nuke and was only confirmed as the right answer after North Korea tested and flaunted that premise.
US-Iranian relations should have been opened up in 2003 publicly and directly instead of relying on the Swiss. Much like US relations with China opened up during Nixon admin and that didn't require a regime change nor China recognizing Taiwan. Rather it was just a mutual exchange based on trade. It's worked out well for the last 30 years for both parties.
Now, I don't know what Obama and Kerry are playing at. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's close to the Grand Bargain proposed in 2003.
I am confused - how, exactly, is this a response to the fact that Iranian leadership apparently believes that a messianic figure is going to arise out of a well and lead them to first regional and then global dominance, but requires conflagration in order to do so?
