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US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

It's the type generic ignorance YOU just displayed that led to North Korea getting it's hand on enough highly enriched plutonium to build a bomb.

Honestly, the average "pit" for a Atomic weapon back in the 50s, weighed just around 15 pounds and was roughly a 4 inch in diameter sphere made out of a plutonium-gallium alloy.

I suppose if you were to find out that Tel Aviv, or an American city had been nuked one morning, you would just blame it on the Sequester.

You do realize North Korea got it's enriched plutonium and knowledge from, right? That our "ally" Pakistan was helping North Korea.
 
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Way to throw in your own ignorant bias into the mix. As though we don't have enough of that as it is.
Ignorant, eh? Maybe a genius like you you can explain to me why America have have enough nuclear weapons to wipe out our whole solar system but Iran can't have the wherewithal to make one?
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

This is comparable with North Korea, lifting sanctions and delivering oil and grain to North Korea if they would promise to dismantle their nuclear weapons program.

Clinton did it, G.W. Bush did it and Obama did it.

North Korea now has nukes.

So? Who cares if North Korea or Iran have nukes? It's their right to built them or develop the technology as sovereign countries. Our problem has always been we bitch and moan about North Korea and Iran because we were at defecto war with them for the last 50 odd years. But we barely sneeze at Pakistan and India because we are "friendly" with them. Maybe the problem is both sides have cut themselves off from communicating properly for the last 50 years.. that we can't be open with each other.. so they don't trust us and we don't trust them. Swiss and Chinese get caught in the middle and direct information gets mistranslated.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

:doh

You really think that our collection and the Israeli's collection is inferior to what the Iranians decide to deliberately allow the IAEA to perform?

I don't trust Israeli collection. We relied on Israel "collection" for Iraq. Israel for a better part of 6 years has said Iran was 1 year away from a Nuke. Also Israel is arming and training MEK which is a designated terrorist group to create a proxy war. So Israel's opinion means jack **** to me. They have a hard on to see Iran gone.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

So the New York Times has "broken" (ie: been leaked to by the Administration) the story that the U.S. and Israel were responsible for the Stuxnet virus, an incredibly complex little bit of software that apparently was specifically designed to interface with the systems and hardware particular to Iranian nuclear facilities.

However, those facilities run on intranets.

How exactly do you think the virus got into the nuclear facility? Did we use magic to get it in there?

And do you think that person is still alive?
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Ignorant, eh? Maybe a genius like you you can explain to me why America have have enough nuclear weapons to wipe out our whole solar system but Iran can't have the wherewithal to make one?

Because it is regionally destabilizing. And your racist comments were what I was referring to. I understand you were going for a sarcastic divisive shock comment, but no one cares about that.
 
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I don't trust Israeli collection. We relied on Israel "collection" for Iraq. Israel for a better part of 6 years has said Iran was 1 year away from a Nuke. Also Israel is arming and training MEK which is a designated terrorist group to create a proxy war. So Israel's opinion means jack **** to me. They have a hard on to see Iran gone.
Not to mention Israel has hundreds of ILLEGAL nuclear weapons themselves.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Because it is regionally destabilizing. And your racist comments were what I was referring to. I understand you were going for a sarcastic divisive shock comment, but no one cares about that.
Obviously you are the ignorant one, not understanding my post was meant to look like an ignorant redneck - the kind that thinks it's okay for Murka to have a nuke but not dem Muslim mud people - was speaking.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Because it is regionally destabilizing. And your racist comments were what I was referring to. I understand you were going for a sarcastic divisive shock comment, but no one cares about that.
Iran is in the same region as America? Well you learn something new every day, doncha!
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Iran is in the same region as America? Well you learn something new every day, doncha!

Let's cut out the emotional BS, can we?

America and much of the world (including Australia) gets a significant amount of oil from this region and so it is important. Allowing nuclear weapons to proliferate here is not a good idea. It makes everyone nervous. No one wants to see shaky governments, especially ones that threaten genocide on an ally, sponsor terrorist organizations, and posture aggressively against their neighbors, to have nuclear weapons.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Let's cut out the emotional BS, can we?

America and much of the world (including Australia) gets a significant amount of oil from this region and so it is important. Allowing nuclear weapons to proliferate here is not a good idea. It makes everyone nervous. No one wants to see shaky governments, especially ones that threaten genocide on an ally, sponsor terrorist organizations, and posture aggressively against their neighbors, to have nuclear weapons.

But only a nation that criminally invades other nations and murders millions and their sycophantic satraps should be the ones to have nukes, right?
 
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But only a nation that criminally invades other nations and murders millions and their sycophantic satraps should be the ones to have nukes, right?

So....Japan? Germany? I don't think either of them have nukes.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Excellent! All sanctions usually do is hurt the innocent anyway.

Obama did something right (for once).

Good for him.
 
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Ignorant, eh? Maybe a genius like you you can explain to me why America have have enough nuclear weapons to wipe out our whole solar system but Iran can't have the wherewithal to make one?

You really have no idea? hahaha
 
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And now RePub Sen. Cornyn Texas in his words says the Iran deal is just a diversion from Obamacare..Are any of you surprised by the GOP being sour, their words, on anything Obama..Let's just wallow in the swamp of zero accomplishments by the the GOP House of NO .,
 
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And now RePub Sen. Cornyn Texas in his words says the Iran deal is just a diversion from Obamacare..Are any of you surprised by the GOP being sour, their words, on anything Obama..Let's just wallow in the swamp of zero accomplishments by the the GOP House of NO .,

Compared to the Democratic majority "yes we can," but probably shouldn't.
 
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Compared to the Democratic majority "yes we can," but probably shouldn't.

Speaker cancerous Cantor and his 5-year coup of just say no tell us otherwise..
 
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What are you talking about?

Well, you spoke of countries invading others and murdering millions...so naturally I assumed you were talking about Germany or Japan. No?

Please note that my comments are dripping with sarcasm because I think your comments are ridiculous.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

If the deal is that we get people inside... I can't see how that is worse than not being on the inside.

I don't know if it is better or not. I seen the U.S. enter into many deals and most were probably worst than no deal at all. Although some work out quite nicely. For me the worst one was the Paris Peace Pact which was basically a surrender deal although none us knew it at the time. So I have been leery ever since. But in a deal like this both sides have to give somethings and take somethings then let time pass to see whether it was a good deal or a bad deal. One will never know by just looking at the deal when it is made. One finds out as the months and years go by in any deal, treaty made whether it was good or bad. In other words, history will be the final arbiter.

So maybe the question should be: Do we keep the status quo and watch as Iran slowly moves towards their Nuclear bombs or do we try something that if it works may help prevent this, but if it backfires will let Iran develop their bomb that much faster? There are pros and cons for each option. This is not a black and white thing as most people make it out to be, it has tons of shades of gray.

The sad part is most people on this site will make up their mind based on the R and the D. Republicans against it and Democrats for it. So I let a night pass whether than rush to judgement, not much new info has come to light. But knowing eventually Iran will have the bomb if we do nothing a some near point in the future, I think we might as well give it a try. It is not that I think the deal will be successful, I have my doubts. But doing nothing accomplishes nothing and there is a chance this might even succeed. So as leery as I am, I am fine with it.
 
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

You can't be THAT gullible, can you ?

So, you had yourself in a situation that no matter what the outcome of these talks, you were going to say Obama failed.

That's very interesting, Fenton.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Personally, I think it's great. It may keep us from having to fight another useless war later. If Iran is forthcoming with us and the inspectors (not a guarantee) and they adhere to the agreed upon stipulations, I'm all for it. It isn't going to happen overnight like some think it will. They have every reason not to trust us as we do them. They are doing the same thing we are and feeling this thing out first.

There will be peace in our time?
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Remember when we refused to talk with our 'enemies'.

Yeah. Those days sucked. Glad to see we can get Iran back at least partially in the world community.

I don't see Iran as our enemy. I can see where we clearly mistreated Iran during the Shah, Mossadegh, etc. with CIA and OIL corporation intrigues. If Obama keeps up all this peaceful behavior that reduces the income of the MIC, will he start looking like Kennedy? That could be a problem, eh?
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Personally, I think it's great. It may keep us from having to fight another useless war later. If Iran is forthcoming with us and the inspectors (not a guarantee) and they adhere to the agreed upon stipulations, I'm all for it. It isn't going to happen overnight like some think it will. They have every reason not to trust us as we do them. They are doing the same thing we are and feeling this thing out first.

They will take advantage like they always do. They wont trust anyone. They certainly wont respect us, they see this as weakness-which they simply dont respect.
 
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