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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Reality? Reality is that Clinton policy of containment was shown to be a failure long before Bush. Libs tend to be duped by ignoble parties in things like this, largely because they approach it with emotion and desire instead of using their brains...
    fact is that the north koreans detonated their first nuclear device well into the dicknbush presidency
    that's THE reality
    one you want to avoid addressing
    it was the last republican administration that failed to prevent the north koreans from joining the league of nuclear weapon holders
    now, let's compare that outcome with what has happened on Obama's watch
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    fact is that the north koreans detonated their first nuclear device well into the dicknbush presidency
    that's THE reality
    one you want to avoid addressing
    it was the last republican administration that failed to prevent the north koreans from joining the league of nuclear weapon holders
    now, let's compare that outcome with what has happened on Obama's watch
    But Korea built their nukes during Clinton's reign. Things don't happen overnight. And if it wasn't for the liberals blindness Korea wouldn't have a nuke today.
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    But Korea built their nukes during Clinton's reign. Things don't happen overnight. And if it wasn't for the liberals blindness Korea wouldn't have a nuke today.
    that is like saying if the iranians detonate a nuclear weapon we can blame it on dicknbush, because the efforts were active during that regime
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

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    that is like saying if the iranians detonate a nuclear weapon we can blame it on dicknbush, because the efforts were active during that regime
    Nope because now, during Obama we have the ability and the time to stop them.
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Nope because now, during Obama we have the ability and the time to stop them.
    just as dicknbush had the ability, an agreement, and the time to monitor north korea
    but you refuse to blame that republican administration for allowing NK to join the nuclear weapons club
    meanwhile you express disdain for Obama's efforts to stymie iran's efforts without going to war to accomplish it
    your double standard is showing
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    fact is that the north koreans detonated their first nuclear device well into the dicknbush presidency
    that's THE reality
    one you want to avoid addressing
    it was the last republican administration that failed to prevent the north koreans from joining the league of nuclear weapon holders
    now, let's compare that outcome with what has happened on Obama's watch
    The primary difference (disclaimer: I support exploring the current deal) is the ability to act. A variety of circumstances made the prospect of a military strike on North Korea very risky with enormous potential for radiating consequences including massive casualties on the Korean peninsula, Japan, and major economic disruption. Nevertheless a strike on Yongbyon was seriously considered by the Clinton administration in 1994 and contemplated a major deployment of troops and equipment to Korea and Japan. The 'breakthrough' Carter achieved put a stop to that and given what they agreed to weighed against the risk of an attack its easy to understand why they opted to accept the agreement.

    On Iran the same situation does not exist. Not only have sanctions apparently yielded some results (as they rarely do with autarkik North Korea) but military actions are a plausible option without the attendant catastrophic consequences that a North Korean attack might yield. So the burden on the Bush and Obama administrations is considerably higher than it was for Clinton who did not face the same situation.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

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    The primary difference (disclaimer: I support exploring the current deal) is the ability to act. A variety of circumstances made the prospect of a military strike on North Korea very risky with enormous potential for radiating consequences including massive casualties on the Korean peninsula, Japan, and major economic disruption. Nevertheless a strike on Yongbyon was seriously considered by the Clinton administration in 1994 and contemplated a major deployment of troops and equipment to Korea and Japan. The 'breakthrough' Carter achieved put a stop to that and given what they agreed to weighed against the risk of an attack its easy to understand why they opted to accept the agreement.

    On Iran the same situation does not exist. Not only have sanctions apparently yielded some results (as they rarely do with autarkik North Korea) but military actions are a plausible option without the attendant catastrophic consequences that a North Korean attack might yield. So the burden on the Bush and Obama administrations is considerably higher than it was for Clinton who did not face the same situation.
    that is hogwash
    nothing more than an excuse for the dicknbush regime's failure to intercede before NK developed THE bomb
    meanwhile criticizing the present administration for actually having accomplished non-proliferation without reliance on warfare
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that is hogwash

    nothing more than an excuse for the dicknbush regime's failure to intercede before NK developed THE bomb
    meanwhile criticizing the present administration for actually having accomplished non-proliferation without reliance on warfare
    The NK bomb was DEVELOPED and built during the Clinton administration.

    You know, thanks to Clintons and Carters "non-proliferation without reliance on warfare" strategy.

    Why are you so repulsed by the truth ?

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that is like saying if the iranians detonate a nuclear weapon we can blame it on dicknbush, because the efforts were active during that regime
    Grow up will ya? But to an extent sure...But let's take a look at shall we? During the time that Bush was in office, his hands were kind of full, but yeah, I suppose if you think we should have invaded Iran at the time then say it.

    But you and I both know that Obama sitting down with Iran today from a position of weakness, and signing the deal he did yesterday, all but ensured that Iran will now at the very least remain a 'break out' nation, and use that leverage for decades as a weapon of its own. Good job.

    Obama, and his group of mealy mouthed emotion driven progressives, whom think that "America is no more exceptional than Greece, or England, or France" have now all but ensured that at least a regional war is in the offing sometime in the future....

    But, hey you go right ahead and continue to go down the road of waiting for a 'republican' to hang it on...The honesty of that is astounding.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Grow up will ya? But to an extent sure...But let's take a look at shall we? During the time that Bush was in office, his hands were kind of full, but yeah, I suppose if you think we should have invaded Iran at the time then say it.

    But you and I both know that Obama sitting down with Iran today from a position of weakness, and signing the deal he did yesterday, all but ensured that Iran will now at the very least remain a 'break out' nation, and use that leverage for decades as a weapon of its own. Good job.

    Obama, and his group of mealy mouthed emotion driven progressives, whom think that "America is no more exceptional than Greece, or England, or France" have now all but ensured that at least a regional war is in the offing sometime in the future....

    But, hey you go right ahead and continue to go down the road of waiting for a 'republican' to hang it on...The honesty of that is astounding.
    more accurately stated, the honesty of it is deafening
    as you and your ilk are inclined to show us
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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