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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So to you it doesn't matter how they got to that point, only what year the final product was tested...MMMMMMMK....Wonder if you'll apply that logic to Obama on a range of subjects? Probably not....Thanks for playin'
    you appear to be missing a lot of words in your reading
    there was an agreement with the north koreans
    and when the dicknbush regime took over the white house, responsibility for monitoring and enforcing compliance where non-compliance was recognized fell to that republican administration
    and they fumbled that ball after the hand off; quite badly
    which then tells us that your attempts to paint events where sovereign powers fail to honor their agreements as weaknesses of liberal administrations to be a very bogus presentation
    in short, reality kicked your argument in the ass
    and it was my pleasure to give it an assist
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    False peace deals help nobody-and Israels outrage isn't a good thing-unless you hate israeli's.
    I like Israeli's no more or less then any other humans (I NEVER judge people on their nationality). I think the recent Israeli leaders (especially Netanyahu) are terrible for the Middle East and the World.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Did you miss where I said only Western media is reporting this-not iran? And your link is 2 days old, this has developed subsequently. Focus please.
    Let's see.. if Iran can be believed, then Obama has misrepresented the deal, or there may actually be no deal at all.
    And if Iran can't be believed, then it will renege on the deal anyway.

    so, either way, if you're right, it's back to square one.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    None of that evet happened.
    yeah..okay.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Gwynne Dyer: Israeli officials condemn U.S.-Iran nuclear deal


    '“WE ARE NOT blind, and I don’t think we are stupid,” said U.S. secretary of state John Kerry in response to fierce Israeli criticism after the first round of talks about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this month failed to reach a deal. Now the deal is done, and Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu is even harsher in his condemnation of Kerry’s handiwork.

    “Israel has many friends and allies,” said Netanyahu, “but when they're mistaken, it's my duty to speak out....What was achieved last night in Geneva (November 24) is not a historic agreement, it was a historic mistake. Today the world has become a much more dangerous place because the most dangerous regime in the world took a significant step towards obtaining the world's most dangerous weapon.”

    What he meant was that the interim agreement implicitly recognizes Iran’s right to enrich uranium for peaceful uses. But that right is already enshrined in the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which Iran has signed, and nobody ever thought that Iran was really going to renounce it. What was at issue was whether it would enrich its uranium to “weapons grade”— 90 percent pure—and make nuclear bombs.

    The “Plan of Action” signed by Iran, the United States, Russia, Britain, France, Germany, and the European Union ensures that it will not, at least for the next six months. All uranium enrichment above five percent is to be halted, and Iran’s entire stockpile of 20 percent enriched material—the potential feedstock for a “dash” to weapons-grade material—is to be diluted or converted to a form not suitable for further enrichment.

    Iran is not to install any more centrifuges (the machines used to enrich material), and large numbers of the existing banks of centrifuges are to be left inoperable. Even Iran's stockpile of 3.5 percent enriched uranium (for use in nuclear power reactors) is to remain the same between now and the end of the six-month period. And there will be no further work done on the Arak reactor, which might give Iran plutonium, and thus a second route to a nuclear bomb.

    Iran will also allow more intrusive inspections by International Atomic Energy Agency officials, including daily access to the key enrichment sites at Natanz and Fordow. All it gets in return is $7 billion worth of relief (about $100 per Iranian) on the sanctions that are crippling its economy. All the main sanctions will stay in place until a final agreement has been signed—if it is—six months from now.

    Iran can therefore make no further progress towards nuclear weapons while the detailed negotiations continue, if that is actually what Tehran ever had in mind. Yet Israeli officials are talking as if the United States has been both blind and stupid.

    On Sunday, Israeli intelligence minister Yuval Steinitz said that “Israel cannot participate in the international celebration, which is based on Iranian deception and the world’s self-delusion.” And Naftali Bennett, Israel’s minister of trade and industry, warned: “If in five years a nuclear suitcase explodes in New York or Madrid, it will be because of the agreement that was signed this morning.”

    This is so far over the top that you wonder whether the speakers even believe it themselves. Israel has talked itself into this obsession with Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons project—Israeli sources have been warning that Iran is two years away from a bomb at regular intervals for the past 20 years—but the constant talk about it has also served to draw attention away from Israel’s settlement policy in the Palestinian territories.

    Israel’s basic position is that the Iranian regime is entirely composed of evil terrorist fanatics who should never be allowed to have refined uranium of any sort. The only recourse is therefore to tighten the sanctions more and more until Iran’s entire economy and government crumble and a completely different sort of people emerge from somewhere to take over the country. No deal can be a good deal.

    Israel’s leaders are dismayed that they can no longer keep their allies and friends pinned in this extreme position, but endlessly quoting the ravings of former Iranian prime minister Mahmoud Ahmedinejad is not enough. They would have to demonstrate that Iran actually intends to attack Israel, and they cannot. So eventually their allies just moved without them.

    As Israel's Finance Minister Yair Lapid told Time magazine, “We’ve lost the world’s ear. We have six months, at the end of which we need to be in a situation in which the Americans listen to us the way they used to listen to us in the past.” But the game is not over yet. Israel’s influence in the U.S. Congress is still immense, and its Congressional allies are already talking about heaping more sanctions on Iran (in order to kill the deal, though they don’t admit that).

    President Obama could veto those new sanctions, of course, but he will find it a lot harder to get Congress to revoke the existing sanctions if the final deal is done six months from now. That’s why Iran gets so little relief from sanctions now in return for its concessions: Obama needs more time to work on Congress. But Israel may still win this tug-of-war.'

    Gwynne Dyer: Israeli officials condemn U.S.-Iran nuclear deal | Georgia Straight

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Gwenn Dyer is blind and naive. Iran will get the nuke just like Korea did then it will be too late to stop them.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you appear to be missing a lot of words in your reading
    there was an agreement with the north koreans
    and when the dicknbush regime took over the white house, responsibility for monitoring and enforcing compliance where non-compliance was recognized fell to that republican administration
    and they fumbled that ball after the hand off; quite badly
    which then tells us that your attempts to paint events where sovereign powers fail to honor their agreements as weaknesses of liberal administrations to be a very bogus presentation
    in short, reality kicked your argument in the ass
    and it was my pleasure to give it an assist
    Nonsense.

    The FBI reported in 1994 that North Korea had completed the CONSTRUCTION of two nuclear weapons.
    How about posting historically accurate statements next time, instead of your goofy opinion.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Nonsense.

    The FBI reported in 1994 that North Korea had completed the CONSTRUCTION of two nuclear weapons.
    How about posting historically accurate statements next time, instead of your goofy opinion.
    Wait, the FBI? What?
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Agreed. The fact still remains that if the weapons inspectors were given more time to complete their work, we could save a lot of blood and money in that god awful country.

    Edit: Something a teacher once told me when I challenged her on the matter of what do they have to hide, she responded that they might simply see the threat as a deterrent. I believe for this reason alone was why Saddam let the idea perpetuate about the possibility of WMDs.
    Thats the type of deterrent tha may hold water with Saddams' arab neighbors and Iran-but not the US. Iraq is history now, but at the very least we have the 2nd democracy in the ME established, with a rising quality of life-its a billboard to the angry arabs there-that relative peace and prosperity are good things.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you appear to be missing a lot of words in your reading
    there was an agreement with the north koreans
    and when the dicknbush regime took over the white house, responsibility for monitoring and enforcing compliance where non-compliance was recognized fell to that republican administration
    and they fumbled that ball after the hand off; quite badly
    which then tells us that your attempts to paint events where sovereign powers fail to honor their agreements as weaknesses of liberal administrations to be a very bogus presentation
    in short, reality kicked your argument in the ass
    and it was my pleasure to give it an assist
    Its almost like we were busy doing something early in W's first term. hmmm.

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