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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    False peace deals help nobody-and Israels outrage isn't a good thing-unless you hate israeli's.
    Much is yet to be determined of this tentative deal, so it's too early to call if a "false" peace. However, this will do two things and that is 1) allow us to get a fairly accurate picture of where their nuclear program is at and 2) this had to happened if before any military action to at least see if peace can work. Remember what happened the last time we rushed into war and didn't give the inspectors time to check things out.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    Remember what happened the last time we rushed into war and didn't give the inspectors time to check things out.
    I never said false peace-I said false peace deal. Im sure you can see the difference.
    I dont remember-hopefully you dont mean bush. We certainly did not rush.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont remember-hopefully you dont mean bush. We certainly did not rush.
    Rush is probably not the best word, more like impatient. When the weapon inspectors returned from Iraq, they were seeing progress when it came to cooperation and disclosure of their weapons stockpile. More to the point, there weren't WMD's found in the country by the inspectors themselves. Were the weapon inspectors given more time, they would of eventually concluded what we now know to be the truth... Iraq didn't have WMD's, at least not in the stock piles that were thought.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

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    And Iran says the US is lying as well. So both Israel and Iran are thrilled. Obama could not be a bigger chump if he tried.
    Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal | Washington Free Beacon
    Mornin' USC. Well truthfully this deal isn't even the complete deal. It is just the start of the deal. Which any deal has to be approved by Khamenei, himself.

    What I am also looking at.....is that issue Obama and the Europeans like to talk about. The World's Market. Economy. You know.....how they talk about it is all tied together and whatnot. That this behind the scenes underlying factor is more relevant than what all have been led to believe. That desperation by those affected is now showing thru. Despite all the other rhetoric.

    That these sanctions are not just crippling Iran. But everybody involved in the game.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Rush is probably not the best word, more like impatient. When the weapon inspectors returned from Iraq, they were seeing progress when it came to cooperation and disclosure of their weapons stockpile. More to the point, there weren't WMD's found in the country by the inspectors themselves. Were the weapon inspectors given more time, they would of eventually concluded what we now know to be the truth... Iraq didn't have WMD's, at least not in the stock piles that were thought.
    How does who finds them matter?

    Progress is not the same as compliance-and per Clintons law regime change in Iraq was the policy of the US. Context matters here.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

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    Mornin' USC. Well truthfully this deal isn't even the complete deal. It is just the start of the deal. Which any deal has to be approved by Khamenei, himself.

    What I am also looking at.....is that issue Obama and the Europeans like to talk about. The World's Market. Economy. You know.....how they talk about it is all tied together and whatnot. That this behind the scenes underlying factor is more relevant than what all have been led to believe. That desperation by those affected is now showing thru. Despite all the other rhetoric.

    That these sanctions are not just crippling Iran. But everybody involved in the game.
    Links, please. Then explain how Iran can deny this.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How does who finds them matter?

    Progress is not the same as compliance-and per Clintons law regime change in Iraq was the policy of the US. Context matters here.
    Agreed. The fact still remains that if the weapons inspectors were given more time to complete their work, we could save a lot of blood and money in that god awful country.

    Edit: Something a teacher once told me when I challenged her on the matter of what do they have to hide, she responded that they might simply see the threat as a deterrent. I believe for this reason alone was why Saddam let the idea perpetuate about the possibility of WMDs.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    "America should be able to defend itself against any threat, any enemy and any power that might try to do us harm. However, our continued policy of international policing, foreign invasions and nation building is not only no longer fiscally sustainable, it is wrong. It is simply un-American to pursue a policy of perpetual war. I propose ending our involvements in all current conflicts, severely limiting our use of sanctions, removing drone from all undeclared battle fields and empowering congress to reclaim the sole power it has to declare war."... Lucas Overby



    I couldn't agree more. We can't afford to police the world. Sanctions are an act of war. Drone strikes are an act of war. And those that support actions like these, must understand, that there will always be retaliation for our actions. Which is what keeps our foreign policy, perpetual. Which we can't afford.

    They don't hate us because we're free. In fact, they don't hate us at all. They distrust our government. Same as us.

    I like Ron Paul's foreign policy. Trade and be friends with all WILLING nations. If they don't want to trade or be friends, then ignore them. If they are an actual threat, get a declaration of war from congress, blow the crap out of them. And then come home. And not stay over there rebuilding (at the tax payers expense for decades) what we were already taxed to destroy.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Links, please. Then explain how Iran can deny this.

    Links to what? Every European Countries Economies? The Germans are the only ones that are stable and not in need of any bailout. That is a significant player I am talking about. As Norway or Switzerland. Aren't considered. Plus you already know our situation here at home.

    Well, for one.....the Hard liners of Iran will confuse issues. As with this deal over Atomics and re-approachment with the US. Example:



    Iran says talks only on nuclear issue, not US ties

    Iran's foreign minister said Tuesday that bilateral discussions with the United States before a historic nuclear agreement were limited to the atomic issue and not rapprochement with Washington.

    "Our discussions have been limited to the nuclear issue," Zarif said in English when asked about the revelation, without directly commenting on them or giving any details.

    "All the speculations about discussions involving other issues are flatly wrong, as we've only concentrated on the nuclear issue," he said.

    Zarif led the Iranian team at the talks with the P5+1 group of world powers in Geneva, which culminated in the landmark agreement elusive for the past decade in freezing parts of Iran's nuclear activities in exchange for limited sanctions relief.

    Any decision on contacts with Washington, or eventual thaw in relations, rests in the hands of Iran's ultimate authority, supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.....snip~

    Iran says talks only on nuclear issue, not US ties
    AFP – 17 hrs ago <<<<< More Here.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    your understanding of history is weak
    dicknbush were in the white house during the october 2006 detonation of north korea's initial nuclear test
    why did they allow NK to violate the agreements that had been entered into?
    2006 North Korean nuclear test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    which tells us that we should not elect another republican regime, because based on historic precedence, a GOP led white house will not enforce this agreement with iran
    So to you it doesn't matter how they got to that point, only what year the final product was tested...MMMMMMMK....Wonder if you'll apply that logic to Obama on a range of subjects? Probably not....Thanks for playin'
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