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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    It doesn't matter whether the president has a D or an R after his name. What matters is that we are able to verify that the Iranians have actually quit trying to make a bomb, and, if they haven't, that we reestablish the sanctions.

    and, if the sanctions don't work, and Iran gets a nuke, then the (bleep!) will really hit the fan. Then the choices are between invading Iran, watching while Israel attacks Iran, Wringing our hands and hoping Iran doesn't actually use the nuke, or blaming the party of the of the president when and if they do get a nuke.

    Unless there are some major changes in Congress, the latter option will be the choice made.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It doesn't matter whether the president has a D or an R after his name. What matters is that we are able to verify that the Iranians have actually quit trying to make a bomb, and, if they haven't, that we reestablish the sanctions.

    and, if the sanctions don't work, and Iran gets a nuke, then the (bleep!) will really hit the fan. Then the choices are between invading Iran, watching while Israel attacks Iran, Wringing our hands and hoping Iran doesn't actually use the nuke, or blaming the party of the of the president when and if they do get a nuke.

    Unless there are some major changes in Congress, the latter option will be the choice made.
    unfortunately past IS prelude
    and if we look to the past, if we look to the incompetence of dicknbush, then we should recognize that the republican held white house will not enforce nonproliferation agreements
    they failed to do so with north korea
    and there is no reason to expect them to do better with the extant iranian NPT agreement
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    unfortunately past IS prelude
    and if we look to the past, if we look to the incompetence of dicknbush, then we should recognize that the republican held white house will not enforce nonproliferation agreements
    they failed to do so with north korea
    and there is no reason to expect them to do better with the extant iranian NPT agreement
    Correct.

    Nor is there any reason to expect the Democrats to do any better either.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Correct.

    Nor is there any reason to expect the Democrats to do any better either.
    if the iranians renege and Obama fails to re-impose the sanctions, then i will agree
    until that happens, i cannot
    but history has shown us that the last republican administration totally abdicated its responsibility to monitor and enforce the NK agreement
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if the iranians renege and Obama fails to re-impose the sanctions, then i will agree
    until that happens, i cannot
    but history has shown us that the last republican administration totally abdicated its responsibility to monitor and enforce the NK agreement
    It also shows us that the last Republican administration invaded Iraq in order to keep them from using their weapons of mass destruction and buying yellow cake uranium in order to start a nuclear program.

    Now, let's wait for the Republican cheerleaders to tell us how it's all the Democrats' fault.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It also shows us that the last Republican administration invaded Iraq in order to keep them from using their weapons of mass destruction and buying yellow cake uranium in order to start a nuclear program.

    Now, let's wait for the Republican cheerleaders to tell us how it's all the Democrats' fault.
    as if the loss of 4489 America lives and three trillion dollars is something to be concerned about [/s]

    time to run jeb bush. he would not do a deal with the iranians ... unless there was some money in it for him
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I would respectfully submit that Iran is a known bad actor. Their support of Hezbollah in Lebanon and the recurring firing of rockets into Israel from time to time is well known, and is a prime example of their exporting and supporting terrorism.

    Now imagine Hezbollah in Lebanon with rockets with Iranian nuclear warheads. Not a pretty picture.

    With their known support of terrorist organizations, now imagine a terrorist cell sneaking in an Iranian warhead into say New York harbor. Also not a pretty picture.

    From what I've head, there is no mandate to dismantle nor cease nor slow down plutonium enrichment. Plutonium is the nuclear ingredient in fission nuclear weapons. That is it's sole purpose. If this it correct, this is where this deal really falls down. But hey, maybe this is just an oversight by Obama's administration, and he being a 'big picture guy' couldn't be bothered with this significant detail.
    Absolutely. And today Iran states that the US is lying about the details of this deal (that is still being discussed). Obama is trying to roll doo-doo in glitter-in an attempt to distract us from his shortcomings in the ACA.

    Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal | Washington Free Beacon

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Being proud of your country is one thing, thinking it is better than everywhere else is quite another. If we're the best, then we don't need to improve anything, right? Just keep everything as it is, since, after all, we're the best.

    And labeling anyone who disagrees with your point of view on any subject as a "liberal" and just lumping them all together as such is not the same as independent thinking. It is quite the opposite, in fact.
    Spare me your attempt to characterize my comments as "thinking its better than everywhere else".
    I said it was exceptional-and it demonstably IS-in the aspects Ive already named twice.

    We are unique, period.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Update: Israel's Netanyahu is said to have rebuked Obama. Moreover.....Team Obama admitted to the phone call but did not say anything about Netanyahu. Now its up in the Israeli News saying Obama was rebuked. Also the new wrinkle will be the Israelis coming to the US for the final deal with Iran.

    Netanyahu Rebukes Obama in Phone Call About Iran Deal.....



    Since the Iran nuclear deal was announced on Sunday, top Republicans and Democrats have blasted it, former Ambassador to the UN John Bolton called the deal an “abject surrender by the United States,” and one of our closest allies is “extremely angry,” to say the least. That ally, as you well know by now, is Israel. And the Sunday phone call between the two world leaders went just as you would imagine.

    The Jerusalem Post reports:

    A lawmaker from Netanyahu's Likud faction told an Israeli television station earlier on Monday that the premier rebuked US President Barack Obama over the interim agreement agreed upon by the Western powers and Iran on Sunday.


    "The prime minister made it clear to the most powerful man on earth that if he intends to stay the most powerful man on earth, it's important to make a change in American policy because the practical result of his current policy is liable to lead him to the same failure that the Americans absorbed in North Korea and Pakistan, and Iran could be next in line," Likud Beytenu MK Tzachi Hanegbi told the Knesset Channel.....snip~

    Netanyahu Rebukes Obama in Phone Call About Iran Deal - Leah Barkoukis
    And Iran says the US is lying as well. So both Israel and Iran are thrilled. Obama could not be a bigger chump if he tried.
    Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal | Washington Free Beacon

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeafone View Post
    Which is why Jews never vote for democrats ... HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! Didn't Obama get the Jewish vote -comfortably? hmmmmmm ... I guess Jews are just like blacks, huh? They simply don't know what is best for them, do they? If you want to find critics of Israeli policy, you can go to Israel ... there are many Israelis there who are very critical of Bibi and his and his party's positions ...
    There are plenty of anti-zionist jews in the US.

    To state that because they vote liberal means Obama is successful is a stretch.

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