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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Over the years I have mostly believed that the only thing Muslim about Obama but I am beginning to change my mind on the. He does and says to many things that make me wonder. I truly believe he has no love for Israel and If Iran drove them into the sea he could care less.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I was addressing your comment that the GOP and the End Times concept is the same as saying Obama is a Muslim whatever you said.
    Yup. In both cases you are ascribing to people intentions and a priori assumptions that they do not hold, based off of your desire to paint them in a negative light.

    I agree, Iran is certainly crazy religious. But we can't do a whole lot about that.
    No. But we can keep them from being crazy religious and having the Bomb.

    But I think the GOP is infected with the same big, just a milder version. And we CAN be aware of this and actively fight it.

    No one is actively promoting triggering the End Times, but they're sure OK if it seems to go that way.
    if God wants to end it, it's His call. Christians naturally try to be willing to accept His will in our lives. That is a whole helluva lot different than us deciding (for example) that in order for Christ to come back and initiate Paradise On Earth we need to wipe out Islam.

    The scariest example is the thought that Israel and US policy need to be the same (remember- no daylight between us!). This is promoted heavily among evangelicals, and certainly influences those in power.
    That's not rooted in Revelations: it's rooted in Genesis.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, that I think is pretty much unique to him.
    It's one thing to think you live in the greatest country in the world, be proud of your homeland, and all that, but to insult other nations because they're not yours is just arrogant. You hear it a lot from Americans: "Eurosocialists" "French surrender monkeys" etc.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's one thing to think you live in the greatest country in the world, be proud of your homeland, and all that, but to insult other nations because they're not yours is just arrogant. You hear it a lot from Americans: "Eurosocialists" "French surrender monkeys" etc.

    1. The French are Surrender Monkeys. Saying that they are Surrender Monkeys is like saying that Americans are fat. They only get upset because it's true.

    2. Other than the French, other western nations absolutely do not deserved to be blamed for the fact that they are not America. Agreed.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Shew! Good thing Iranian leadership is composed of nothing but fanatical Islamists then!

    In Islam the only city that can't be destroyed is Mecca, but that is because they believe that Allah is protecting Mecca from destruction.
    Then we should nuke it and see what happens.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, that I think is pretty much unique to him.
    America is Israel's arsehole....testing...testing...

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I agree. I seem to recall a deal that Clinton made with North Korea, was it turn off your nuke plants and we'll give you food and oil? Yeah, I think that was it. The North Korean's turned up their nukes before the last shipment even made it to them.

    I suspect a similar outcome here.
    Agreed. It was hard to accept when I came to the realization-but liberals done CARE if Iran gets nukes. They think any nation should have the right. They dont like Israel. They dont want to appear prejudicial (as if Iran is a bad actor by any measure). And they hate the US for having nukes, and having used them.

    Its more about hating the US than anything else, frankly-and many libs will admit it. Its how they roll.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The above does not in any way represent the opinions of mainstream Americans. The poster is speaking only for himself. Most of us, in fact, are embarrassed by this elitist attitude.
    It KILLS liberals to say they are proud of their country (because they aren't). We are just part of the herd, and liberals are herd animals.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The point is that liberals cant STAND the truth-that american is exceptional by every measure-and still the place where people who can vote with their feet come to from every else. Not even ancient Greece, or Rome, or the Chinese dynasties came close to the US.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This is, of course, the rationale used for time immemorial to justify capitulating to tyrants. In the real world the US Administration has every interest in maintaining the appearance that their peace gambit worked for political reasons and will be unwilling to admit that their opposition was correct about Iran all along when (not if) Iran breaks the deal. The administration will carry on this charade for as long as possible claiming they brought peace when, in the end, all they have done is embolden the bloodthirsty Iranian leadership.

    All Iran is doing is using the same playbook used by North Korea during it's run up to nuclear weapons. They claim they want peace, get billions of dollars in frozen assets and aid in an agreement to stop the weapons program, and then use that money to accelerate their nuclear weapon program. Wash, rinse, repeat until the weapon is created.



    If this "thing is screwed up" it wouldn't be our troops in Afghanistan that would be the target. What would follow the creation of the weapon would be a systematic takeover of the middle East by Iran under threat of nuclear annihilation of the surrounding states. This has always been the goal of the Iranian leadership. We know this because this is what the Iranian leadership says it wants. They seek the reestablishment of the Caliphate.




    The reason for the Iranian uprising in the 1960s and 70s was not due to our meddling in Iran, if anything the revolution was delayed a few decades by our meddling. The Iranian Revolution was sparked by the Shah's plan to grant legal status and voting rights to minorities and women. The Ayatollah spun up a revolution in the country on the grounds that this moderation and secularism was a direct threat to Islam and that the state needed to be overthrown and replaced with a theocracy, which is what they did. It's no surprise that in the months leading up to the toppling of the SHah that the approval rating of the Shah was on the rise given the Ayatollah as the alternative. What Carter's Secretary of State did at that point borders on criminal negligence.

    I would suggest you read a good deal more history of the Iranian revolution than you appear to have done thus far. Your "meddling for oil" understanding of what happened in Iran in the 50s 60s and 70s indicate a critical absence of key details in your evaluation of the events. The Shah was supported by the US as a counter to the rising trend towards Islamic radicalism in the Iranian state. The end result of a brutal theocracy in Iran was due to bungling by the State Department under Jimmy Carter that is eerily similar to the events unfolding in Egypt and Iran today.
    Outstanding quotes that add actual context and insight into the Islamic republic.

    The line from the left is "american butted in for oil n stuff".

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