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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    We have a strong tendency in the West to project our own sets of assumptions onto others.



    This would be the Mecca and Medina that Khomeini removed from their order of importance? If the Iranian regime claims the ability to alter even the Hajj, what makes you think they will be halted in any decision they have made by the Dome of the Rock?

    Besides. If Allah wants to protect portions of Jerusalem, then He will. You gotta remember the extreme presumption of predestination that we are dealing with here.
    Khomeini may be a dictator, but every one has their limits. not every Iranian shares the same fanatical view of Islam as the ayatollah and i am willing to bet that if any Iranian who actually practices islamic believes was given the order to nuke Jerusalem, he would refuse on the grounds of religious beliefs.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    I am confused - how, exactly, is this a response to the fact that Iranian leadership apparently believes that a messianic figure is going to arise out of a well and lead them to first regional and then global dominance, but requires conflagration in order to do so?
    unless he is the one who has the launch codes, he is going to have to find more fanatics willing to follow a order to blow up a holy city.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    Iran can't be that crazy to destroy the Dome of the rock? the place on the temple mount where according to the Islamic faith the prophet Mohammad ascended to heaven? The third Holiest site in Islam after the cities of Mecca and Medina? Iran can't honestly have enough people fanatical enough to blow up one of their holy cities?
    Doesn't take many to push the button.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    Wow. What a well thought-out and justified point. That's a really excellent answer, Hatuey. People who draw an uncomfortable parallel are "stupid". Really, really well done there.
    Uncomfortable parallel? Try sheer ignorance of foreign policy and basic geopolitics. Anyone trying to use the failures with NK as a prediction for possible failures with the Iranians doesn't know a whole lot about international politics. - The Iranians for the most part aren't completely insane.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    and that Australia is "Britain's scrotum"? C'mon.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We did it, the Russians did it, the Chinese did it, the Nokos did it.
    Different time with different technology
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    Hell, the Russians marched 130 thousand troops into Afghanistan and we never noticed
    Inaccurate. We were well aware of Soviet intentions in Afghanistan
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    and we couldn't stop 19 jackoffs from killing 3 thousand Americans.
    That is different and you know it. Someone building nukes that we know they want to build while also knowing where they would build them is vastly different than 19 people doing something that's never been done before.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You of all people should realuze that nothing is fail proof.
    What I do realize is that continuing with sanctions when Iran has capitulated to the very friggin purpose of the sanctions anyway is a losing scenario. Why would they come to the table with everything if they reach out and we deny them? It's called diplomacy and it's nice to see us try that for once instead of force. YOU of all people should realize what that does.
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    US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I am confused - how, exactly, is this a response to the fact that Iranian leadership apparently believes that a messianic figure is going to arise out of a well and lead them to first regional and then global dominance, but requires conflagration in order to do so?
    I'm confused too. I thought its the US GOP leadership who thinks a messianic figure will arise (the anti-Christ) and lead us into a world ending war and The Rapture.

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...orld-end-2006/

    Or is our superstition and imaginary sky friend better than their superstition and imaginary sky friend? So confused....
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    HUH ? The safety of our foreign allies shouldn't dictate our FOREIGN policy ? Well then what exactly SHOULD dictate our FOREIGN policy ? Why do we need a FOREIGN policy in the first place again ?? And Israel is currently sitting in firing range of a neighbor that's vowed to drive it in the ocean. You think IRAN's lies ensures it's safety ?
    No, our interests should dictate our foreign policy. Israel should be a consideration, but not the deciding factor in our decisions. It is in our interest that Iran be a contributing member of the world economy. Also, why can't you get it through your head that ISRAEL IS IN NO DANGER OF A NUKE BEING LAUNCHED AGAINST THEM! Iran doesn't have a friggin nuke.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Israel strikes out, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey team up and strike Israel, we get involved, because we've pretty much sworn to protect them, Russia gets involved...and so on.
    Just like that happened when they struck Iraq for the exact same reasons right? Oh yeah, it didn't. Israel struck and nothing happened after except some big talk. This isn't unprecedented territory we're in here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    *sigh*....Not every nuke is a 40 megaton fusion weapon. The weapons WE SENT them are specifically purpose designed to penetrate hundreds of feet below the surface and yes, they are nuclear tipped. Look em up...
    Still nuclear though and would still be seen as a launching of a nuke. If they are so ho hum why haven't we used them in Iraq or Afghanistan?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It's worth a shot to make a dumb decision that allows IRAN to get back on their feet while they continue with the construction of nuke ? Because that's what happened in North Korea. A poverty ridden isolated Communist Country that managed to lie its way to a successful atomic detonation in 2006.
    When, exactly, did NK come to the table ready for us to inspect their nuclear complex? When, exactly, did NK ever say they would stop building nukes? They didn't. Iran, on the other hand, has come to the table. It's six friggin months bro. All they have to do is deny one inspector and the sanctions are back on. Now, if they deny an inspector and we continue with the deal even though they broke it, you will have a point. Of course, that would be just another Obama policy failure too.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    unless he is the one who has the launch codes, he is going to have to find more fanatics willing to follow a order to blow up a holy city.
    Shew! Good thing Iranian leadership is composed of nothing but fanatical Islamists then!

    In Islam the only city that can't be destroyed is Mecca, but that is because they believe that Allah is protecting Mecca from destruction.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You are missing the point, they have 15+ possible build locations, all hidden well within the interior and with extensive defenses and some deep under ground. Yes, we have some tools to detect this, but its not a guarantee. Were you in the military?
    Read your post again and realize how self defeating it is.
    Apparently
    they have 15+ possible build locations
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    all hidden well within the interior
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    with extensive defenses
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    some deep under ground
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    we have some tools to detect this, but its not a guarantee
    So in other words, we know all of that but we don't really have the capability to detect what they're doing.
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