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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    A much greater yield, albeit, I admit there is some amount of speculation on that.
    I'm sure they would have thought that was nice, but I don't think I would put any money I cared to ever see again on that being their primary goal.

    Their primary goal was (and is) being a nuclear state. In the post-Iraq era, that's the trump card - the regime-stability-guarantee. That's all. So long as the stupid thing A) detonated and B) was detectable by other nations, it was a success.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    The US is indeed exceptional, unlike any nation ever on earth. Economically, Scientifically, Militarily, Culturally. A mindset different from anywhere else. An nation of minorities. And we aren't just a country, we are an idea buddy-in fact America goes where American's go.

    Australia is Britains scrotum, pal.
    ....and Amercians are the biggest whingers ever known. Just like Murphy's dog they love dishing it out but squeal like ------g stuck pigs when they get the slightest bit of reciprocity.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Well DUH! most of both sides of the aisle are bought and paid for by AIPAC. Of course anything that upsets Israel is going to cause concern with their well bribed minions.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Please do jut a bit of research before showing up in a forum and making a fool out of yourself.

    Carter met with the NK government in the mid 90's and made a really stupid deal that of-course, the North Koreans welched on.
    You're going to lecture me about obvious snark when we are discussing one of the greatest international developments in months? Yes, please, enlighten us as to how this moderate Iranian president runs his nation the same as the tyrannical dictator of North Korea.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    He represented the United States in a 1994 negotiation with North Korea.

    North Korea also tested a nuclear weapon in 2006, which became infamous for being a failure.
    But it happened during Bush's term. So by Obama-hater logic, that means we should have blamed Bush for it. Of course, had Fox "News" held Bush to the same standard as they hold Obama, they would have put the blame squarely on Bush's shoulders. And remember, Fox "News" was VERY popular on the Right back then)
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually our collection for Iraq was overwhelmingly US only and/or FIVE - EYES (US, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand), and the most egregious intel failures actually came from the Germans. So..... you may want to re-read that part.
    Our collection for Iraq wasn't Five Eyes based. US has exclusive collection in the middle east with a silent partnership with Israel. Germany's BND had Curveball (the guy you are referring too) but you know who tipped us off on who had him? Mossad because he was a former Mossad source. On top of that UK Government did an inquiry and found that Blair, Bush and "Israelis" (Mossad) met in Crawford into the lead up to the war.. this includes before the UN speech Colin Powell gave.

    Then you have this dozy..



    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you tell me - was there a string of successful apparent hits against Iranian nuclear scientists?

    Because if there was, then it looks like we are dealing with a network with some definite survivability, which maintains the ability to support operations .
    You know the answer to that.. Of course Iranian nuclear scientists were killed by bombs taught by Mossad to the MEK. That the MEK is a org has been around since the Iranian Revolution. In fact helped storm the US Embassy. But this is the kinda of idiocy Israel relies on to stir the pot. Israel lobbied to remove MEK from our Terrorist Org list so Israel can do dirty work in Iran. That kind of operation is actually harmful to the US. Especially if the US wants a chance to have some kind of normal relation with Iran. I liken it to 2 best friends (Israel and America) who want them same chick. Israel wants to screw the chick and America wants a relationship. But since their best friends both their actions harm each others chances.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ctd...
    This was pre-Bro-Hood counter-coup, naturally, but the basic drivers are still all there. Avoiding that endgame is the goal. As Hitchens put it, when the US isn't involved, it doesn't mean nothing happens, it means something else happens.
    Again.. so you submit US presence will have to end at some point, correct? But not now? So when? After the US installs new dictators who now sit in power in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and from blow back in Iran? (maybe Syria as well). This failed understanding that the problems in the Middle East are because those buggers haven't fought it out yet like the rest of the world. Europe spend centuries fighting, US spent 4 years of a bloody Civil War. Asia (China, Japan and so on) had a semi duke it out during the 1900s-1970s but all had US involvement (or European).

    Let them fight it out. When they fight it out, they forget about us. When we get involved in their fights we tend to get our ass handed to us due to being caught in the crossfire. It's down right stupid to play world police and expect different results after doing this for 60 years. UK and France wised up and walked away. So maybe it's time we wised up?

    Our Iran problem goes back to us sticking our nose into Iranian politics in the 1950s and putting an evil PoS in power who was our creation. I don't blame Iran for it's reaction with the Revolution and their hatred for the US. We put them under the iron fist of Shah.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Some of us have learning disabilities.
    I agree. I seem to recall a deal that Clinton made with North Korea, was it turn off your nuke plants and we'll give you food and oil? Yeah, I think that was it. The North Korean's turned up their nukes before the last shipment even made it to them.

    I suspect a similar outcome here.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You're going to lecture me about obvious snark when we are discussing one of the greatest international developments in months? Yes, please, enlighten us as to how this moderate Iranian president runs his nation the same as the tyrannical dictator of North Korea.
    The president of Iran doesn't run the nation, the supreme council of poobahs does. The Iranian president is nothing more than the mouth piece.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Again.. so you submit US presence will have to end at some point, correct? But not now? So when? After the US installs new dictators who now sit in power in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and from blow back in Iran? (maybe Syria as well). This failed understanding that the problems in the Middle East are because those buggers haven't fought it out yet like the rest of the world. Europe spend centuries fighting, US spent 4 years of a bloody Civil War. Asia (China, Japan and so on) had a semi duke it out during the 1900s-1970s but all had US involvement (or European).

    Let them fight it out. When they fight it out, they forget about us. When we get involved in their fights we tend to get our ass handed to us due to being caught in the crossfire. It's down right stupid to play world police and expect different results after doing this for 60 years. UK and France wised up and walked away. So maybe it's time we wised up?

    Our Iran problem goes back to us sticking our nose into Iranian politics in the 1950s and putting an evil PoS in power who was our creation. I don't blame Iran for it's reaction with the Revolution and their hatred for the US. We put them under the iron fist of Shah.
    During the 6-Day War, Nassir publically claimed that American forces were directly involved, which was an obvious lie. So, no, they won't forget about us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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