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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    So how do the last oh, say 20 posts have anything to do with Kerry channeling Neville Chamberlain?

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    American exceptionalism is all about Americans being up themselves, thinking they are superior to everyone else on earth.
    Only part of it. It mostly means a unique experience, for better or for worse. If you want to say we are more arrogant than most, that feeds into exceptionalism, because we would be more unique.

    However, much of this has to do with things that most countries promote about themselves. In a small way, Obama was right when he said, "Just as I am sure (insert country) believes in a (insert same country) exceptionalism."
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yeah, in 6 months they've got a shiny new nuke even though we already know where every centrifuge is, how much uranium they have, how much they can produce, etc. But just in this case, and only in this case, they would be able to some how develop a nuke with us having no friggin clue it happened.......only in neocon world does that happen.

    Yeah, and we were also still able to use blow up tanks and boats to fool the enemy into thinking we were going to conduct assaults. We were also still using birds to detect chemical attacks. We were also using bolt action rifles. This isn't 1939 man. Countries don't just develop nukes without someone seeing it.
    We did it, the Russians did it, the Chinese did it, the Nokos did it. Hell, the Russians marched 130 thousand troops into Afghanistan and we never noticed and we couldn't stop 19 jackoffs from killing 3 thousand Americans. You of all people should realuze that nothing is fail proof.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Carter was president in the 90s? North Korea fired their nukes twice during W. Bush's presidency? Wow. I would love to know more about this alternate version of this thing called HISTORY. Do enlighten me.

    Please do jut a bit of research before showing up in a forum and making a fool out of yourself.

    Carter met with the NK government in the mid 90's and made a really stupid deal that of-course, the North Koreans welched on.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Israel can take care of themselves as they have demonstrated before. In addition, Israel should not dictate our foreign policy. Yes, they should be heavily considered, but they shouldn't dictate it. However, this deal (if it goes the way it's supposed to) will assure Israel that they are safe from a nuclear Iran. It's not like this is a permanent thing. It's a 6 month deal.
    HUH ? The safety of our foreign allies shouldn't dictate our FOREIGN policy ? Well then what exactly SHOULD dictate our FOREIGN policy ? Why do we need a FOREIGN policy in the first place again ?? And Israel is currently sitting in firing range of a neighbor that's vowed to drive it in the ocean. You think IRAN's lies ensures it's safety ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    If you think we're anywhere close to an all out Middle Eastern war, YOU'RE sadly misinformed. That, or worry mongering.
    Israel strikes out, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey team up and strike Israel, we get involved, because we've pretty much sworn to protect them, Russia gets involved...and so on.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So you believe that Israel's answer to Iranian possession of nukes would be to launch nukes? Doubtful. Israel knows, just like every other country on this Earth, that launching nukes does nothing but initiate WWIII. Israel doesn't want that any more than we do.
    *sigh*....Not every nuke is a 40 megaton fusion weapon. The weapons WE SENT them are specifically purpose designed to penetrate hundreds of feet below the surface and yes, they are nuclear tipped. Look em up...



    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I don't remember you telling me anything.......anyway, I agree Iran is not trustworthy. However, it's worth a shot to give them the chance to fall on their sword. It's a win win situation for us. 6 months is not enough time for them to develop any sort of weapon therefore we are giving them the rope to hang themselves with. They can either play ball and submit to inspections or they can do what they normally do and totally reinforce our position of heavy sanctions. We lose nothing in those scenarios. If you've got some alternative to those two possible courses of action, I'd like to hear it.

    It's worth a shot to make a dumb decision that allows IRAN to get back on their feet while they continue with the construction of nuke ? Because that's what happened in North Korea. A poverty ridden isolated Communist Country that managed to lie its way to a successful atomic detonation in 2006.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Only part of it. It mostly means a unique experience, for better or for worse. If you want to say we are more arrogant than most, that feeds into exceptionalism, because we would be more unique.

    However, much of this has to do with things that most countries promote about themselves. In a small way, Obama was right when he said, "Just as I am sure (insert country) believes in a (insert same country) exceptionalism."
    The MIC's gofer and phony liberal Darat O'Bomber is as big-headed an exceptionalist as anyone else up there.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    The bit that makes me angry about American Exceptionalism is where it comes from, the stinking abrahamic religions that are the main causes for all the world's war and strife.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That's right, because no other nation was involved in this deal, and keeping Iranian nukes under control is bad. Keep trying.
    Ive got a bridge to sell you son. Canada's cool with it too, so its all good.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yeah, in 6 months they've got a shiny new nuke even though we already know where every centrifuge is, how much uranium they have, how much they can produce, etc. But just in this case, and only in this case, they would be able to some how develop a nuke with us having no friggin clue it happened.......only in neocon world does that happen.

    Yeah, and we were also still able to use blow up tanks and boats to fool the enemy into thinking we were going to conduct assaults. We were also still using birds to detect chemical attacks. We were also using bolt action rifles. This isn't 1939 man. Countries don't just develop nukes without someone seeing it.
    You are missing the point, they have 15+ possible build locations, all hidden well within the interior and with extensive defenses and some deep under ground. Yes, we have some tools to detect this, but its not a guarantee. Were you in the military?

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    To summarize, you mean American Exceptionalism, aka arrogant narcissism, which btw is why so many people take exception to Americans.
    The US is indeed exceptional, unlike any nation ever on earth. Economically, Scientifically, Militarily, Culturally. A mindset different from anywhere else. An nation of minorities. And we aren't just a country, we are an idea buddy-in fact America goes where American's go.

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