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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No we "prefer" to not put Israel into a situation where they have no other alternative than to strike out at Iran. Which this deal does nicely.
    Israel can take care of themselves as they have demonstrated before. In addition, Israel should not dictate our foreign policy. Yes, they should be heavily considered, but they shouldn't dictate it. However, this deal (if it goes the way it's supposed to) will assure Israel that they are safe from a nuclear Iran. It's not like this is a permanent thing. It's a 6 month deal.
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    If you think we're isolated from a Middle Eastern all out war, your'e sadly misinformed.
    If you think we're anywhere close to an all out Middle Eastern war, YOU'RE sadly misinformed. That, or worry mongering.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    With a economy that, after 5 years is still on life support, having the Straight of Hormuz blocked because Israel decided to lob a few nuclear tipped bunker busting bombs into Irans centrifuges would be a real economic bummer for America.
    So you believe that Israel's answer to Iranian possession of nukes would be to launch nukes? Doubtful. Israel knows, just like every other country on this Earth, that launching nukes does nothing but initiate WWIII. Israel doesn't want that any more than we do.
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    Iran's a snake and I was always told you don't trust a snake.
    I don't remember you telling me anything.......anyway, I agree Iran is not trustworthy. However, it's worth a shot to give them the chance to fall on their sword. It's a win win situation for us. 6 months is not enough time for them to develop any sort of weapon therefore we are giving them the rope to hang themselves with. They can either play ball and submit to inspections or they can do what they normally do and totally reinforce our position of heavy sanctions. We lose nothing in those scenarios. If you've got some alternative to those two possible courses of action, I'd like to hear it.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Again, its not me, its the masses who are easy to distract.
    Iran is way down on the issues our country cares about man. Waaaay down. Especially when we have something so close to home that immediately hits the pocket book. If anything, the only thing people were concerned about is that Lady Gaga was interrupted while performing on SNL.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Standard conservative answers. So what if Iran screws the pooch? In 6 months are they really going to be that much more ahead of where they are now if they deceive us? The answer is no, they won't. However, if they do deceive us, we can honestly say we gave them a shot to sit at the table with the rest of the civilized world and they screwed it up. Then, the very few countries that have supported them will have even more pressure on them to join in the sanctions (Russia and China come to mind). It's worth a friggin shot. We've being doing the status quo for the past 30 some odd years and it's gotten us nowhere.

    It's also the right time to do it. With us pulling out of Afghanistan, if this thing is screwed up, we won't be in Afghanistan to feel the pain of it. We'll be pulling out already. Pres Obama screws a lot of stuff up, but I don't think he screwed this one up. Let me guess, you guys would rather we just go over and turn the country into a parking lot huh?

    Finally, Iran has just as much reason to distrust us as we do them. If you guys read a little history, we were the ones who decided to meddle in their affairs way back in the 50's. All in the name of oil. So who should distrust who in this scenario?
    What if you're wrong?

    If I'm wrong, no harm, no foul. If you're wrong, Iran's sportin' a shiney, new nuke and plenty of harm can be done. At the end of the day, is this feal worth it, just to look like the nice guys? Did the Corps teach you anything about threat assessment?

    This is the exact same deal that we gave to the Noko's. How did that turn out?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Iran is way down on the issues our country cares about man. Waaaay down. Especially when we have something so close to home that immediately hits the pocket book. If anything, the only thing people were concerned about is that Lady Gaga was interrupted while performing on SNL.
    Germany was a long way away in 1939.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its just more feel good bs. Obama deserves the skepticism.
    That's right, because no other nation was involved in this deal, and keeping Iranian nukes under control is bad. Keep trying.

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    Leave Drew out of this.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!

    Yes I remember all of the Celebration in the Mid 90s when Carter managed to get NK to drop ALL Nuclear ambitions....

    10 years later...BOOM, and then another BOOM.

    Democrats and the "rest of the world " have selective memories.

    "Republicans" and Israel know this is a Joke.
    Carter was president in the 90s? North Korea fired their nukes twice during W. Bush's presidency? Wow. I would love to know more about this alternate version of this thing called HISTORY. Do enlighten me.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What if you're wrong?

    If I'm wrong, no harm, no foul. If you're wrong, Iran's sportin' a shiney, new nuke and plenty of harm can be done. At the end of the day, is this feal worth it, just to look like the nice guys? Did the Corps teach you anything about threat assessment?

    This is the exact same deal that we gave to the Noko's. How did that turn out?
    Yeah, in 6 months they've got a shiny new nuke even though we already know where every centrifuge is, how much uranium they have, how much they can produce, etc. But just in this case, and only in this case, they would be able to some how develop a nuke with us having no friggin clue it happened.......only in neocon world does that happen.
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    Germany was a long way away in 1939.
    Yeah, and we were also still able to use blow up tanks and boats to fool the enemy into thinking we were going to conduct assaults. We were also still using birds to detect chemical attacks. We were also using bolt action rifles. This isn't 1939 man. Countries don't just develop nukes without someone seeing it.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Not really, but I think right-wingers would better serve themselves by gaining a Leftist education (particularly post-structuralists and post-colonialists) so as to better understand the mechanisms of empire, so as to evaluate what needs to be changed for the better (whether more moral, or also just to make it work better), but also used to aid foreign policy.

    Selfishness is here to stay, everyone is out to get each other, but there is always room to maneuver more humanely and with far less bloodshed. While the UN and the IMF gives audience to many world powers and grants certain stability, only a small segment really pull the direction of the conversation. We think it benefits most, which I tend to believe, but it also really benefits us established powers.
    To summarize, you mean American Exceptionalism, aka arrogant narcissism, which btw is why so many people take exception to Americans.

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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Carter was president in the 90s? North Korea fired their nukes twice during W. Bush's presidency? Wow. I would love to know more about this alternate version of this thing called HISTORY. Do enlighten me.
    It's called the mutability of the past.
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    Re: US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's called the mutability of the past.
    Mutability of the past. Thank you for teaching me a new, and useful, term.
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