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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    So you have no problem with the Germans, the Japanese, Russia, or even Islam wanting their slice of the empire pie?
    Of course I may have a problem with it. It might not benefit us, or my conception for what out to be. We have friendly-ish relations with the Germans, we have good relations with the Japanese. Their health benefits us, perhaps only to a point before we start to worry, of course. The Russians, well, we don't like them, so any increase in power without an adoption of western democratic institutions and governmental structures concerns us. Islamic empires concern us because of dramatically different orientation to governmental structure and so forth.

    That being said, their desire to increase their standing is only natural. Our intentions is to make sure any rise benefits us, or if it is a threat to us, try to ameliorate it as best as possible.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    Another uneducated boaster who imagines America was in Australia in WW2 to altruistically save it from the Japs.....groan!
    Japs? Who's the racist, now?

    http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/allin...downunder.html
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    Of course I may have a problem with it. It might not benefit us, or my conception for what out to be. We have friendly-ish relations with the Germans, we have good relations with the Japanese. Their health benefits us, perhaps only to a point before we start to worry, of course. The Russians, well, we don't like them, so any increase in power without an adoption of western democratic institutions and governmental structures concerns us. Islamic empires concern us because of dramatically different orientation to governmental structure and so forth.

    That being said, their desire to increase their standing is only natural. Our intentions is to make sure any rise benefits us, or if it is a threat to us, try to ameliorate it as best as possible.
    Let's establish something here for reference in future discussions between us. Do you approve of Germany and Japan's wars in WW2, and the casualties they caused, fighting for their slice of the empire pie? Do you approve of Islam's (actually about a nutty 0.0002% of Islam's total numbers) current "war" with America and the casualties it has caused and will cause? And do you approve of the millions of casualties America inflicted on comparatively defenseless countries in its greed, sorry, profit motivated wars?

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

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    Japs? Who's the racist, now?

    All in - Yanks down under
    Oh mah guard, he exposed me for what I really am Okay, I'll never call Nips "Japs" again!!

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    Let's establish something here for reference in future discussions between us. Do you approve of Germany and Japan's wars in WW2, and the casualties they caused, fighting for their slice of the empire pie? Do you approve of Islam's (actually about a nutty 0.0002% of Islam's total numbers) current "war" with America and the casualties it has caused and will cause? And do you approve of the millions of casualties America inflicted on comparatively defenseless countries in its greed, sorry, profit motivated wars?
    Approval denotes I support them. I do not, in part, because their actions harmed our interests. Of course, we could cite Manchuria and the Holocaust for additional moral concerns.

    To your last question: it depends on the circumstance you cite. If you wish to, say, cite the Indian Wars and the frontier disputes, I would state that both actions were understandable in terms of reactions from both the Tribes and the U.S. On the U.S. side, much of it was foolish and went above and beyond necessity of wartime conduct-thus constituting a moral crime from the U.S.. Nevertheless, it increased our empire. The actions of the Texans in Mexico? While certainly ironic given contemporary complaints of Texans whining about Mexicans not learning the American language, and not respecting the government, their actions ended up benefiting us.

    As to war being conducted in pursuit of self-interest, I say, yes. That's the case with war. War is politics through another means.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    Oh mah guard, he exposed me for what I really am Okay, I'll never call Nips "Japs" again!!
    BTW, I call Yanks "Seppos", short for septic tanks. This has godda be raysis too, eh?

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Of course I may have a problem with it. It might not benefit us, or my conception for what out to be. We have friendly-ish relations with the Germans, we have good relations with the Japanese. Their health benefits us, perhaps only to a point before we start to worry, of course. The Russians, well, we don't like them, so any increase in power without an adoption of western democratic institutions and governmental structures concerns us. Islamic empires concern us because of dramatically different orientation to governmental structure and so forth.

    That being said, their desire to increase their standing is only natural. Our intentions is to make sure any rise benefits us, or if it is a threat to us, try to ameliorate it as best as possible.
    Its the way of the world.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Approval denotes I support them. I do not, in part, because their actions harmed our interests. Of course, we could cite Manchuria and the Holocaust for additional moral concerns.

    To your last question: it depends on the circumstance you cite. If you wish to, say, cite the Indian Wars and the frontier disputes, I would state that both actions were understandable in terms of reactions from both the Tribes and the U.S. On the U.S. side, much of it was foolish and went above and beyond necessity of wartime conduct-thus constituting a moral crime from the U.S.. Nevertheless, it increased our empire. The actions of the Texans in Mexico? While certainly ironic given contemporary complaints of Texans whining about Mexicans not learning the American language, and not respecting the government, their actions ended up benefiting us.

    As to war being conducted in pursuit of self-interest, I say, yes. That's the case with war. War is politics through another means.
    So when all is said and done you approve of "the end justifies the means". I'll take it you think killing millions of "gook", "slopes" and "niggers" in the pursuit of God (the American one) approved profit is simply a cost of doing necessary business, i.e. improving the lives of the average American.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    So when all is said and done you approve of "the end justifies the means". I'll take it you think killing millions of "gook", "slopes" and "niggers" in the pursuit of God (the American one) approved profit is simply a cost of doing necessary business, i.e. improving the lives of the average American.
    The end doesn't always justify the means. If the means accomplish the same task, at greater cost to resources, at greater anger toward our state, than another method, it was not entirely justified. That wouldn't necessarily impugn to desire to have an empire or trade agreement in one area or the other, however.

    I can see I am getting under your skin by agreeing with your suggestions that we are profit seekers, but denying that as necessarily a bad or unexpected thing. Such is the way with Left-wingers. Remove the glory from their supposed insight and they have nothing but outrage.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its the way of the world.
    .... as was Pearl Harbour and 9/11.

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