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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Man, you people's death grip on your corrupted ideology sure forces you into some awkward situations.

    Hey, good thing this is the FIRST time we've ever tried to haggle with a America hating dictatorship who was absolutely bent on producing a atomic weapon.

    Did you post a silly clapping hands emoticon when North Korea detonated their first nuclear weapon ?

    Iran=DPRK
    hitler=Obama
    Stalin=Obama

    Whats next?

    News flash we havent had connections with the DPRK since the end of the Cold War. But then again Bush refused to talk to DPRK and under his reign they detonated their nuke....


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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    In my post #27 where I replied to YOUR post which you apparently ignored somehow...

    The concessions not only halt Iran’s nuclear advances but also make it virtually impossible for Tehran to build a nuclear weapon without being detected,the officials said. In return, Iran will receive modest relief of trade sanctions and access to some of its frozen currency accounts overseas, concessions said to be valued at less than $7 billion over the six-month term of the deal. The sanctions would be reinstated if Iran violates the agreement’s terms.

    So this is saying that we are going to pay them $6+Billion in "relief"? Really?
    Hell, sanction me for a little while if you are going to lift them later and I make a profit on the "relief"...
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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So this is saying that we are going to pay them $6+Billion in "relief"? Really?
    Hell, sanction me for a little while if you are going to lift them later and I make a profit on the "relief"...
    The monies are from unfreezing...

    frozen currency accounts

    Guess you missed that part.
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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Iran=DPRK
    hitler=Obama
    Stalin=Obama

    Whats next?

    News flash we havent had connections with the DPRK since the end of the Cold War. But then again Bush refused to talk to DPRK and under his reign they detonated their nuke....

    Uhg...

    You post such irrelevant nonsense.


    February 9, 1993: The IAEA demands special inspections of two sites that are believed to store nuclear waste. The request is based on strong evidence that North Korea has been cheating on its commitments under the NPT. North Korea refuses the IAEA’s request.

    March 12, 1993: Amid demands for special inspections, North Korea announces its intention to withdraw from the NPT in three months, citing Article X provisions that allow withdrawal for supreme national security considerations.

    April 1, 1993: The IAEA declares that North Korea is not adhering to its safeguards agreement and that it cannot guarantee that North Korean nuclear material is not being diverted for nonpeaceful uses.

    June 11, 1993: Following talks with the United States in New York, North Korea suspends its decision to pull out of the NPT just before the withdrawal would have become legally effective. North Korea also agrees to the full and impartial application of IAEA safeguards.

    For its part, the United States grants assurances against the threat and use of force, including nuclear weapons. Washington also promises not to interfere with North Korea’s internal affairs.

    July 19, 1993: After a second round of talks with the United States, North Korea announces in a joint statement that it is “prepared to begin consultations with the IAEA on outstanding safeguards and other issues” and that it is ready to negotiate IAEA inspections of its nuclear facilities. The joint statement also indicates that Pyongyang might consider a deal with the United States to replace its graphite nuclear reactors with light-water reactors (LWRs), which are proliferation resistant.

    Late 1993: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Defense Intelligence Agency estimate that North Korea had separated about 12 kilograms of plutonium. This amount is enough for at least one or two nuclear weapons.

    1994

    January 1994: The director of the CIA estimates that North Korea may have produced one or two nuclear weapons.

    February 15, 1994: North Korea finalizes an agreement with the IAEA to allow inspections of all seven of its declared nuclear facilities, averting sanctions by the United Nations Security Council.

    March 1, 1994: IAEA inspectors arrive in North Korea for the first inspections since 1993.

    March 21, 1994: Responding to North Korea’s refusal to allow the inspection team to inspect a plutonium reprocessing plant at Yongbyon, the IAEA Board of Governors approves a resolution calling on North Korea to “immediately allow the IAEA to complete all requested inspection activities and to comply fully with its safeguards agreements.”

    May 19, 1994: The IAEA confirms that North Korea has begun removing spent fuel from its 5-megawatt nuclear research reactor even though international monitors were not present. The United States and the IAEA had insisted that inspectors be present for any such action because spent fuel can potentially be reprocessed for use in nuclear weapons.

    June 13, 1994: North Korea announces its withdrawal from the IAEA. This is distinct from pulling out of the NPT—North Korea is still required to undergo IAEA inspections as part of its NPT obligations. The IAEA contends that North Korea’s safeguards agreement remains in force. However, North Korea no longer participates in IAEA functions as a member state.

    June 15, 1994: Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter negotiates a deal with North Korea in which Pyongyang confirms its willingness to “freeze” its nuclear weapons program and resume high-level talks with the United States. Bilateral talks are expected to begin, provided that North Korea allows the IAEA safeguards to remain in place, does not refuel its 5-megawatt nuclear reactor, and does not reprocess any spent nuclear fuel. "


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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The monies are from unfreezing...

    frozen currency accounts

    Guess you missed that part.
    relief of trade sanctions and access to some of its frozen currency accounts overseas
    No need to be snide.....

    The conjunction AND makes it sound like there will be monetary consessions as well... Not just the unfreezing of assets.
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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    No need to be snide.....

    The conjunction AND makes it sound like there will be monetary consessions as well... Not just the unfreezing of assets.
    Well said but your previous post read like a hand out of "here ya go!!!!" money.
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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Well said but your previous post read like a hand out of "here ya go!!!!" money.
    That is why I was asking the question... I did not know and did not have time to look it up. If it was "here ya go money" I would have been pissed. But, now that I have had a little time to read the White House brief, I see that it is not the case,
    Fact Sheet: First Step Understandings Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran
    Limited, Temporary, Reversible Relief

    In return for these steps, the P5+1 is to provide limited, temporary, targeted, and reversible relief while maintaining the vast bulk of our sanctions, including the oil, finance, and banking sanctions architecture. If Iran fails to meet its commitments, we will revoke the relief. Specifically the P5+1 has committed to:

    Not impose new nuclear-related sanctions for six months, if Iran abides by its commitments under this deal, to the extent permissible within their political systems.

    Suspend certain sanctions on gold and precious metals, Iran’s auto sector, and Iran’s petrochemical exports, potentially providing Iran approximately $1.5 billion in revenue.

    License safety-related repairs and inspections inside Iran for certain Iranian airlines.

    Allow purchases of Iranian oil to remain at their currently significantly reduced levels – levels that are 60% less than two years ago. $4.2 billion from these sales will be allowed to be transferred in installments if, and as, Iran fulfills its commitments.

    Allow $400 million in governmental tuition assistance to be transferred from restricted Iranian funds directly to recognized educational institutions in third countries to defray the tuition costs of Iranian students.



    Putting Limited Relief in Perspective

    In total, the approximately $7 billion in relief is a fraction of the costs that Iran will continue to incur during this first phase under the sanctions that will remain in place. The vast majority of Iran’s approximately $100 billion in foreign exchange holdings are inaccessible or restricted by sanctions.

    In the next six months, Iran’s crude oil sales cannot increase. Oil sanctions alone will result in approximately $30 billion in lost revenues to Iran – or roughly $5 billion per month – compared to what Iran earned in a six month period in 2011, before these sanctions took effect. While Iran will be allowed access to $4.2 billion of its oil sales, nearly $15 billion of its revenues during this period will go into restricted overseas accounts. In summary, we expect the balance of Iran’s money in restricted accounts overseas will actually increase, not decrease, under the terms of this deal.
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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    That is why I was asking the question... I did not know and did not have time to look it up. If it was "here ya go money" I would have been pissed. But, now that I have had a little time to read the White House brief, I see that it is not the case,
    Fact Sheet: First Step Understandings Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran
    Good find. And WOW... $100 billion. Just imagine if they booted those crackpot mullahs from power what kind of flowing economy they could be having for their people.

    I'm very hopeful for Iran in their electing a moderate guy and if the economy starts really moving for the people their while he's in power... it could really forge a giant wedge between the political power and the religious mullah power in that country.
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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Good find. And WOW... $100 billion. Just imagine if they booted those crackpot mullahs from power what kind of flowing economy they could be having for their people.

    I'm very hopeful for Iran in their electing a moderate guy and if the economy starts really moving for the people their while he's in power... it could really forge a giant wedge between the political power and the religious mullah power in that country.
    I was thinking along the same lines.
    How the West dragged them into the 20th century by force, coercion, and corruption, is a topic for another day... BUT... Iran was a part of the modern world until the overthrow in 79. Then they backslid.... not unlike Iraq is doing now.

    I harbor no ill will against the Iranian people and sincerely hope they embrace this more moderate movement by their foreign minister.
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    Re: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on iranian nuclear progr

    I think this agreement/deal is worth a try. Whether it is good or bad history will have to decide, none of us today can with 100% certainity say one way or the other. Even with all the sanctions in place Iran was going to develop the bomb. There is nothing wrong with being leery over this deal, I am too. But doing nothing lets Iran continue on the pace they are now and will achieve their goal. Now agreeing to this deal brings hope that something can be worked out later where Iran does not develop the bomb, but nothing is guaranteed. Are we taking a chance? Sure we are. But as I have stated, doing nothing will still lead to Iran getting the bomb. In negotiations like these, there always have to be a little give and a little take, each side must compromise a bit in hopes a more comprehensive and lasting deal can be reached later.

    Again there is no guarantee one way or the other with this deal. President Obama might end up looking like another Neville Chamberlain. But there is the chance this may actually lead to the desired results we want. I am willing to give the President the benefit of the doubt on this and let history sit in judgment. It is a gamble to be sure, but doing nothing still would result in Iran obtaining the bomb. Give it a try, it could succeed. If it doesn't, what exactly have we lost?
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