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Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

And how is she a hindrance if she can pass all the tests?

.....how long has it been since you spent much time as a single young female in the company of lots of ramped-up, in-shape 18-22 year old males, who were self selected to have a higher bias towards aggression and alpha-male typology and then trained to think they were invincible?

We had females come out to the FOB. It was the same disaster story it is everywhere else it is tried. The concept of team broke down as everyone tried to get laid. It's a huge problem in the mixed-gender units as well, both on deployment and in the rear. That's why they have to go to all the lengths they do on deployment to try to stop people from hammering away like rabbits.

If we sent our 50 year olds into combat :shrug: sure. Maybe. But our 18-22 year olds suffer from the fact that they are between the ages of 18 and 22.

Now is the part where (typically) the response is "professionalism" and my response is "reality - and in reality appealing to professionalism to paper over real problems results in more dead 18 year old kids" :( No thanks. I've said enough good-bye's to last me at least until I'm old enough that at least my friends are dying of old age.
 
LOL.....falling back on your failed arguments again. Why don't you just stop bad mouthing the military. The men and women who serve today are every bit as good, if not better than those who served before them. They deserve our support and respect....not your blathering and bad mouthing them.

The standards have been lowered so that chicks can pass infantry school. That doesn't create a more effective fighting force, but forcing everyone to meet a lower standard is the onlyvway Libbs can make everyone equal.
 
Pull ups. :lamo

Yes, the next war will be decided by who is better with a battle ax. :roll:

Give me a statistic of who many enemy casualties we caused and we suffered in hand-to-hand unarmed combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, since it appears many believe that still determined the outcome of a battle?

When's the last time you humped 60 pounds of gear 30 miles? Have you ever?
 
.....how long has it been since you spent much time as a single young female in the company of lots of ramped-up, in-shape 18-22 year old males, who were self selected to have a higher bias towards aggression and alpha-male typology and then trained to think they were invincible?

We had females come out to the FOB. It was the same disaster story it is everywhere else it is tried. The concept of team broke down as everyone tried to get laid. It's a huge problem in the mixed-gender units as well, both on deployment and in the rear. That's why they have to go to all the lengths they do on deployment to try to stop people from hammering away like rabbits.

If we sent our 50 year olds into combat :shrug: sure. Maybe. But our 18-22 year olds suffer from the fact that they are between the ages of 18 and 22.

Now is the part where (typically) the response is "professionalism" and my response is "reality - and in reality appealing to professionalism to paper over real problems results in more dead 18 year old kids" :( No thanks. I've said enough good-bye's to last me at least until I'm old enough that at least my friends are dying of old age.

Well, maybe those 18-22 year olds need to be taught some professionalism. Either that or maybe they are just TOO young and immature to be in the military at all?
 
The view that the Marines consist singularly of ground assault soldiers is naïve and false. And hand-to-hand combat is increasingly irrelevant anyway. Are men inherently better shots? If not, then the complaint is nothing.

In addition, there are many situations where women would be more suited than men in foreign countries, given that men aren't even allowed in some settings, just like women are not in other settings. There are situations where women would be more persuasive.

One real problem Hitler had taking Stalingrad was German troops were limited only to men, Russian troops were not. Women served not only in front line combat groups, but numerous support roles too. I have no doubt German troops were not laughing about Russian women in the infantry before it was over - particularly the women operating machine gun nests. Germans had pushed the Stalingrad defense to just a few blocks - and if you study that even in detail you find it was Russia having both women and men in frontline combat that made the difference. But for women, Stalingrad would have fallen - and if it had the war would have proceeded in an entirely different direction - opening Russian oil to Germany and kept a couple hundred thousand more Germans on the Western front.

It has often been pointed out that whether it be Muslim or otherwise, a society that only uses 1/2 it's population are also those most impoverished and limited societies.

Women have some inherent superiorities. For example, on average women can take more pain than a man.

But, on the bottom line, the measure of a good soldier being the one who can do the most pull-ups is - simply put - absurd. Even for Marines.
 
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Well, maybe those 18-22 year olds need to be taught some professionalism. Either that or maybe they are just TOO young and immature to be in the military at all?

You've never been in the service, either. Huh? Soldiers require constant adult supervsion and that's a reality that's never going away.
 
You've never been in the service, either. Huh? Soldiers require constant adult supervsion and that's a reality that's never going away.

Are you saying they aren't adults?
 
The view that the Marines consist singularly of ground assault soldiers is naïve and false. And hand-to-hand combat is increasingly irrelevant anyway. Are men inherently better shots? If not, then the complaint is nothing.

In addition, there are many situations where women would be more suited than men in foreign countries, given that men aren't even allowed in some settings, just like women are not in other settings. There are situations where women would be more persuasive.

One real problem Hitler had taking Stalingrad was German troops were limited only to men, Russian troops were not. Women served not only in front line combat groups, but numerous support roles too.

It has often been pointed out that whether it be Muslim or otherwise, a society that only uses 1/2 it's population are also those most impoverished and limited societies.

Women have some inherent superiorities. For example, on average women can take more pain than a man.

But, on the bottom line, the measure of a good soldier being the one who can do the most pull-ups is - simply put - absurd. Even for Marines.

Women in The Red Army served in all female units.
 
.....how long has it been since you spent much time as a single young female in the company of lots of ramped-up, in-shape 18-22 year old males, who were self selected to have a higher bias towards aggression and alpha-male typology and then trained to think they were invincible?

We had females come out to the FOB. It was the same disaster story it is everywhere else it is tried. The concept of team broke down as everyone tried to get laid. It's a huge problem in the mixed-gender units as well, both on deployment and in the rear. That's why they have to go to all the lengths they do on deployment to try to stop people from hammering away like rabbits.

If we sent our 50 year olds into combat :shrug: sure. Maybe. But our 18-22 year olds suffer from the fact that they are between the ages of 18 and 22.

Now is the part where (typically) the response is "professionalism" and my response is "reality - and in reality appealing to professionalism to paper over real problems results in more dead 18 year old kids" :( No thanks. I've said enough good-bye's to last me at least until I'm old enough that at least my friends are dying of old age.

What a bunch of junk.
 
Women in The Red Army served in all female units.

And your point is?

So the debate has now shifted from women in the Marines to men and women in the same tent?
 
Unless you're challenging the enemy to a grunting match at the gym; who cares?
 
Are you saying they aren't adults?

I'm serving now, though not with soldiers but sailors, and I can attest to this. It can be hard to tell the difference between my shop and middle school.
 
Sorry....but despite what you and NP say, we have the best military in the world and the men and women who defend this country deserve respect....not the badmouthing and moaning that you guys engage in.

We use to have the best military in the world, it's been so dumbed down in the past four years, I don't even recognise it today.

They have actually pulling entire fighter squadrons out of the air in the middle of a week long combat training mission because the entire squadron has to attend mandatory classroom sensitivity training.
 
Pull ups. :lamo

Yes, the next war will be decided by who is better with a battle ax. :roll:

Give me a statistic of who many enemy casualties we caused and we suffered in hand-to-hand unarmed combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, since it appears many believe that still determined the outcome of a battle?

Pull ups were important enough that we had to do them every day in Airborne school to strengthen our upper body in preparation for steering a parachute.

When I was in instructor one of the lanes I ran was light maneuver operations. One particular lane that really kicked peoples butt (especially the woman) was having to climb a wall and then low crawl a fairly long distance under barbed wire and in sand up to an area where we had them throw hand grenades. What made this tough for many of them is that they had to do it in full gear (including body armor).

These were Army Warrior Task that every soldier is expected to know and be able to perform. Clearly these task required upper body strength and having some ability to measure that to ensure troops are battle ready is important.

In the middle of a firefight is not a good time to find out that your fitness isn't really up to par.

I'm all for continuing to evaluate our physical test to determine if they are a good measure of strength and endurance for the mission but we shouldn't have different standards for different genders (especially in combat arms)
 
I'm serving now, though not with soldiers but sailors, and I can attest to this. It can be hard to tell the difference between my shop and middle school.

Well, I do acknowledge that some of them are fresh out of high school, but that is no excuse for that type of behavior. These are supposed to be people have self-discipline and a lot of GOOD qualities, so I find these claims rather surprising. I'm sorry, but just because there are women around is no reason to lose your mind. :roll:
 
The standards have been lowered so that chicks can pass infantry school. That doesn't create a more effective fighting force, but forcing everyone to meet a lower standard is the onlyvway Libbs can make everyone equal.

LOL....people like you are what bring down our military. I would venture to say that our military is better today than it was back in your day because it isn't filled with the same level of sexists and homophobes that it used to. Keep bad-mouthing the military Apdst....they'll keep protecting you regardless.
 
We use to have the best military in the world, it's been so dumbed down in the past four years, I don't even recognise it today.

They have actually pulling entire fighter squadrons out of the air in the middle of a week long combat training mission because the entire squadron has to attend mandatory classroom sensitivity training.

Sorry.....our military is not dumb. You do a disservice to the men and women who wear the uniforms when you demean them like that.
 
LOL....people like you are what bring down our military. I would venture to say that our military is better today than it was back in your day because it isn't filled with the same level of sexists and homophobes that it used to. Keep bad-mouthing the military Apdst....they'll keep protecting you regardless.

At what point did he bad mouth the military?
 
Sorry.....our military is not dumb. You do a disservice to the men and women who wear the uniforms when you demean them like that.

You do realize the military just follows orders right?
 
What a bunch of junk.

Exactly! They can still have self control. That is nothing but an excuse for bad and irresponsible behavior. I always thought that they recruited kids too young anyway. If you have a son, they will be calling your house when he is in his junior year of high school to try and recruit him when he graduates. They want to sign them up ASAP.
 
Sorry....but despite what you and NP say, we have the best military in the world and the men and women who defend this country deserve respect....not the badmouthing and moaning that you guys engage in.

Sorry but despite what you misrepresent, nobody is badmouthing the troops. Period. The badmouthing is aimed at stupid political leaders who could not care less about our soldiers getting killed just as long as they make their politically correct points. You don't either. If you did you would never consider supporting this type nonsense but then your ass has never been on the line and it never will so with you the problem is out of sight and out of mine.
 
Sure you are. You and NP both constantly badmouth the military. "Of Course"...the military was OBVIOUSLY better back in the day...blah blah blah......typical rhetoric....nothing more....nothing less.

How would you have any first hand knowledge if it was or it was not? blah...blah...blah is all your statements are worth. A soldier gets killed because of the idiocy you support and with you it's oh well, at least everybody had a chance at equal opportunity while never realizing that there is absolutely nothing equal or fair and square in warfare.
 
LOL.....falling back on your failed arguments again. Why don't you just stop bad mouthing the military. The men and women who serve today are every bit as good, if not better than those who served before them. They deserve our support and respect....not your blathering and bad mouthing them.

Then why don't you support them by standing against politically correct politicians that don't care if they get them killed? You have joined an immoral crusade to get them killed.
 
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