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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The view that the Marines consist singularly of ground assault soldiers is naïve and false. And hand-to-hand combat is increasingly irrelevant anyway. Are men inherently better shots? If not, then the complaint is nothing.

    In addition, there are many situations where women would be more suited than men in foreign countries, given that men aren't even allowed in some settings, just like women are not in other settings. There are situations where women would be more persuasive.

    One real problem Hitler had taking Stalingrad was German troops were limited only to men, Russian troops were not. Women served not only in front line combat groups, but numerous support roles too. I have no doubt German troops were not laughing about Russian women in the infantry before it was over - particularly the women operating machine gun nests. Germans had pushed the Stalingrad defense to just a few blocks - and if you study that even in detail you find it was Russia having both women and men in frontline combat that made the difference. But for women, Stalingrad would have fallen - and if it had the war would have proceeded in an entirely different direction - opening Russian oil to Germany and kept a couple hundred thousand more Germans on the Western front.

    It has often been pointed out that whether it be Muslim or otherwise, a society that only uses 1/2 it's population are also those most impoverished and limited societies.

    Women have some inherent superiorities. For example, on average women can take more pain than a man.

    But, on the bottom line, the measure of a good soldier being the one who can do the most pull-ups is - simply put - absurd. Even for Marines.
    And the Soviets got women out of those units as quick as they could because they were not as effective as men and they created problems at the small unit level.

    Nobody in the Marine Core ever said whoever can do the most pull ups is the measure of a good Marine. Period. A complete and deliberate misrepresentation on your part.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What a bunch of junk.
    No, it's facts and truths that don't agree with your social driven agenda causing you to refuse to accept reality.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....people like you are what bring down our military. I would venture to say that our military is better today than it was back in your day because it isn't filled with the same level of sexists and homophobes that it used to. Keep bad-mouthing the military Apdst....they'll keep protecting you regardless.
    So you don't mind "saying" things you know nothing about.

    Lets pretend for a minute that the military used to be full of sexists and homophobes. Getting rid of them improved the fighting capabilities of a small infantry or tank unit, exactly how?
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Pull ups.

    Yes, the next war will be decided by who is better with a battle ax.

    Give me a statistic of who many enemy casualties we caused and we suffered in hand-to-hand unarmed combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, since it appears many believe that still determined the outcome of a battle?
    Another example of just how completely clueless you are on this subject.

    Lots of troops that closed with the enemy in the urban environment started carry around high tech tomahawks because of it's many uses in such an environment. But you are inadvertently correct, the tomahawks were not being used to decide the outcome of a war. They were being used to see who survived a fight at the individual level.

    Get a grip on reality.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Sorry but despite what you misrepresent, nobody is badmouthing the troops. Period. The badmouthing is aimed at stupid political leaders who could not care less about our soldiers getting killed just as long as they make their politically correct points. You don't either. If you did you would never consider supporting this type nonsense but then your ass has never been on the line and it never will so with you the problem is out of sight and out of mine.
    Hmmmmm....calling the troop "dumb" and saying that those in the military are not as good as they were "back in THEIR day" is badmouthing the troops.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Then why don't you support them by standing against politically correct politicians that don't care if they get them killed? You have joined an immoral crusade to get them killed.
    Blah blah blah.....its just the same old tired sexist lines from you and your ilk. Sorry.....but the days of the bigots, sexists and homophobes are past and our nation and military are better as a result.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    So you don't mind "saying" things you know nothing about.

    Lets pretend for a minute that the military used to be full of sexists and homophobes. Getting rid of them improved the fighting capabilities of a small infantry or tank unit, exactly how?
    Suffice it to say....you get rid of the immature attitudes and banter and the nation is much better as a whole. A few sexist pigs can destroy a whole lot. We are only as strong as our weakest link. Remove them and we are stronger.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    I still say if a woman can pass all the tests (the equivalent of the ones that the men have to pass), then I see no reason why she shouldn't be allowed to be in the military. Using the excuse that the men and women can't control themselves is a piss poor excuse and just not true.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Blah blah blah.....its just the same old tired sexist lines from you and your ilk. Sorry.....but the days of the bigots, sexists and homophobes are past and our nation and military are better as a result.
    The think the idea that lowering standards to expand the base makes for a stronger military isn't all that bright.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I still say if a woman can pass all the tests (the equivalent of the ones that the men have to pass), then I see no reason why she shouldn't be allowed to be in the military. Using the excuse that the men and women can't control themselves is a piss poor excuse and just not true.
    Young men put into war alongside women has been known to cause problems for centuries.

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