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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    They couldn't replace her because that is not how the military works. For the most part the military deploys as units. So if you were not part of the unit when it deploys it is unlikely you will deploy. For the most part the military doesn't do the individual replacement thing like they did in nam
    Something he said does go along that lines. He said the US military studied the German military and found that one reason they were so effective in Western Europe was because the unit or squad leader in the German army had a great amount of autonomy in terms of decision power, while the American military was very top-down command dependent. This allowed German units top to bottom to be far more reactive per the immediate circumstance, while the American soldiers had to wait for orders and then follow them, whether they made much sense or not. That would be consistent with the US military now preferring not to just pick replacements but more respect "the unit" or "squad" integrity.

    Curiously, defiance of orders in the battlefield itself was more tolerated in the German army than the US military. Even Rommel defied Hitler and was promoted rather punished. That is just my observation.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    So what about our deal man. Do you want me to prove I am who I say I am to you or not
    No, not really. The forum doesn't work that way.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    My daughter is tying to enlist in the Air Force, though talked to the Army too. If she goes into the Air Force, she will go in as an E3 due to college. A 6 year sign up. The Army recruiter was adamant they wanted her to enlist in the officer's program with - if I heard her correctly - a 20 year commitment.
    So it's the Air Force or nothing.

    She has no interest in the Navy and certainly not the Marines. So it's the Air Force or nothing. Her goal is not a military career. Her goal is to add military service to her overall resume.

    Her announcement of pursuing joining the Air Force surprised us.

    She is attending a top private university on full scholarship. Her ultimate career goal is to go into environmental law enforcement at a governmental management level. Upon completing her 6 years in the Air Force, which also will give her the bachelor's degree, she then would obtain her master's degree. Since government positions generally give deference to military service as a preference in applicants, she believes this helps her resume' lifelong. However, since she will get a BA out of it anyway, why spend another 2 1/2 years in college and then enlist - which by then she probably would have so much going on in her life she wouldn't want to. She is a person who plans her future - something most young people don't.

    I'm not familiar with military rankings.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Oh I thought the point of a debate was I say something and than you say something and both of us try to prove the other wrong. You said what I claimed wasn't true. I can very easily prove you wrong that seems to me the point of a debate. Maybe it is you just don't want everyone to know that you are wrong and have no clue what you are talking about. Could that be it.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I've only ever seen one good looking female soldier in my life, and I wouldn't date her because that would be like dating a man.
    They still manage to get preggers though.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think it is offensive that they claim our soldiers, and specifically Marines, are a bunch of gang-rapists for which women are only safe if they are kept away from women. Maybe when Marines are done with their enlistment they should then be locked up to keep them out of society for women's protection if what they say is true. Of course, it's not.
    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    My daughter is tying to enlist in the Air Force, though talked to the Army too. If she goes into the Air Force, she will go in as an E3 due to college. A 6 year sign up. The Army recruiter was adamant they wanted her to enlist in the officer's program with - if I heard her correctly - a 20 year commitment.
    So it's the Air Force or nothing.

    She has no interest in the Navy and certainly not the Marines. So it's the Air Force or nothing. Her goal is not a military career. Her goal is to add military service to her overall resume.

    Her announcement of pursuing joining the Air Force surprised us.

    She is attending a top private university on full scholarship. Her ultimate career goal is to go into environmental law enforcement at a governmental management level. Upon completing her 6 years in the Air Force, which also will give her the bachelor's degree, she then would obtain her master's degree. Since government positions generally give deference to military service as a preference in applicants, she believes this helps her resume' lifelong. However, since she will get a BA out of it anyway, why spend another 2 1/2 years in college and then enlist - which by then she probably would have so much going on in her life she wouldn't want to. She is a person who plans her future - something most young people don't.

    I'm not familiar with military rankings.
    You are either making things up again or heard wrong. There are no 20 year commitments in the military. Maybe you should pay more attention
    So you admit that you are not familiar with rank in the military a very basic concept but you have no problem telling me (someone currently in the military) how the military works. Do you really not see the humor in that and why some people have a hard time taking you seriously.
    Last edited by braindrain; 11-28-13 at 04:13 AM.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Oh I thought the point of a debate was I say something and than you say something and both of us try to prove the other wrong. You said what I claimed wasn't true. I can very easily prove you wrong that seems to me the point of a debate. Maybe it is you just don't want everyone to know that you are wrong and have no clue what you are talking about. Could that be it.
    When Joko gets pushed into a corner, he just shuts down and ignores you. I've asked him at least 7 or 8 times in this thread why he opposes equal treatment and he's refused to answer every time. He just drones on about me being sexist or something for wanting equal standards.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    My daughter is tying to enlist in the Air Force, though talked to the Army too. If she goes into the Air Force, she will go in as an E3 due to college. A 6 year sign up. The Army recruiter was adamant they wanted her to enlist in the officer's program with - if I heard her correctly - a 20 year commitment.
    So it's the Air Force or nothing.

    She has no interest in the Navy and certainly not the Marines. So it's the Air Force or nothing. Her goal is not a military career. Her goal is to add military service to her overall resume.

    Her announcement of pursuing joining the Air Force surprised us.

    She is attending a top private university on full scholarship. Her ultimate career goal is to go into environmental law enforcement at a governmental management level. Upon completing her 6 years in the Air Force, which also will give her the bachelor's degree, she then would obtain her master's degree. Since government positions generally give deference to military service as a preference in applicants, she believes this helps her resume' lifelong. However, since she will get a BA out of it anyway, why spend another 2 1/2 years in college and then enlist - which by then she probably would have so much going on in her life she wouldn't want to. She is a person who plans her future - something most young people don't.

    I'm not familiar with military rankings.
    I don't see any reason why a woman couldn't perform in the Air Force as a pilot, or something of that nature. It would be quite different than in a submarine or any combat group situation. I know it has been done but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    You are either making things up again or heard wrong. There are no 20 year commitments in the military. Maybe you should pay more attention
    So you admit that you are not familiar with rank in the military a very basic concept but you have no problem telling me (someone currently in the military) how the military works. Do you really not see the humor in that and why some people have a hard time taking you seriously.
    Since you are the one who insisted the Marines do not use semi-auto rifles, you aren't winning your point.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Something he said does go along that lines. He said the US military studied the German military and found that one reason they were so effective in Western Europe was because the unit or squad leader in the German army had a great amount of autonomy in terms of decision power, while the American military was very top-down command dependent. This allowed German units top to bottom to be far more reactive per the immediate circumstance, while the American soldiers had to wait for orders and then follow them, whether they made much sense or not. That would be consistent with the US military now preferring not to just pick replacements but more respect "the unit" or "squad" integrity.

    Curiously, defiance of orders in the battlefield itself was more tolerated in the German army than the US military. Even Rommel defied Hitler and was promoted rather punished. That is just my observation.
    You are correct to a certain extent regarding military doctrine post ww2-we realized eyes on intelligence trumps top down leadership, especially on a microscopic basis.

    But to conclude that this means current military doctrine reflects the inflexibility of ww2, is silly. The US military arguably is better than any modern 1st world military, and at the same time is better than ANY military in the world (in any world) at anti guerilla ops. These are real and significant benefits.

    Joko, were you in the military? What high education do you hold? What recent books on doctrine and strategy have you read?

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