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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Seeing as you keep repeating this bs story lets just see if we can point out some of the more out there claims. To start let's look at some of the things you claimed earlier. This guy was supposedly picked out off boot camp because he was a trouble maker and also because he was such a bad ass. No one is picked from basic to go to some super secret unit. There is no chance in basic to prove how awesome you are because just as the name implies everything they teach in basic is basic. There are no complicated missions where you can show off your skills. Everything there is tightly controlled and instructor run. Second elite units are not looking for troublemakers. In fact being one will get you kicked out. SOF units need people they can count on.

    The last thing I will bring up is how you commented earlier that somehow you badass friend was using a hunting rifle. You do know that no one outside of certain SOF units has any say so at all to what weapon they use. If he was an infantryman he was using a m16, m4, 249 or a 240. The military does not say well this guy is a bad ass hunter lets give him a hunting rifle. Give me a break you are clueless.
    Yeah. Also apparently he refused orders during a war game in boot camp (they don't run war games in Boot Camp - at most you learn contact front, contact left, contact right, a few hand and arm signals, and how to cross a danger area), and had an entire platoons' worth of M203's in his squad, over which he had control as far as who got assigned. You know, because First Sergeants really reach down and ask recent graduates from Boot Camp how to assign people to rifle squads.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Good idea.

    Its worth mentioning that women have a lower survivability with severe injury. They have weaker bones, less blood, less iron, less connective tissue (skin breaks easier), and less cardiovascular reserve. This means an injured female will have less time until irreversible shock, and frankly death.

    Ive also read that females have greatly increased rates of UTI's and yeast infections when actively deployed-these aren't life threatening but they are new problems and can easily take a female out of a fight.
    The scuttlebutt is, that the Chinese Chemical Warfare Corps are already working on a vaginal yeast bomb to be used against our infantry if liberal social engineering continues with in our military and women are allowed to serve as grunts.

    Civilians with in the DOD will probably come up with a "Yeast Infection in Combat Medal" to be rated above the Purple Heart.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Does basic training ever filter enlistees into various roles?
    No. You have one "specialized role" that you can identify. It is "the guy who marches in the front of the formation when they go somewhere", which they call a squad leader, who is a trainee like anyone else and exercises zero authority or power. In boot camp you are stripped of decision-making, you go and do exactly where and what you are told. Nor are there war games to deny orders in, for that matter.

    That some are not suited for frontline combat, but still usable. Others are for regular usage
    That is part of your contract, which is signed well before you get to Boot Camp. Once you leave Boot Camp and go on to your MOS school you may be selected for variations within the MOS you are assigned. For example, I went on a standard UH (infantry) contract, and once I reached SOI was assigned to the 0351 Assaultman package.

    Others have particular skills. You say NEVER. I see nothing to back that up, nor does that make any sense. Advancement and assign in the military is not by random drawing lots as you seemingly believe.
    No, it is about time and performance. For example, the highest rank that you can enter the Marine Corps is a Private First Class. 9 months later, you are a Lance Corporal. In the infantry, you may very well get out at this rank, hence the "Terminal Lance Corporal", but as time goes on your cutting score increases and you may pick up Corporal or Sergeant. "Squad Leader" is a Sergeant Billet. A Sergeant in the Infantry is usually either at the very end of his first contract (if he is awesome), or in his second and/or third. However, the billets can be filled by Corporals as needed, who are also usually near the end of their first term.

    All your view means is that they never anything particularly special or skillful about you.
    as opposed to Rambo McNorris, your buddy.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Changed my mind, I'm sticking around. You guys are funny in how much you reveal yourselves. With maybe one exception, none of you were military-killer-warriors. You were unit members, tiny cogs of a big machine, generic. But think you are military genius. Its' comical.

    I knew plenty of folks in or were in the military. All but 1 are basically like you. That Marine I've written of the exception. A strange guy. Grew up on a farm. Folks that leave rifles and shotguns leaning against the wall at the back door, ammo on the shelf above. Certainly by age 8 he was heading out with a single shot .22. Hunting was his thing. So was fighting. Two bigger brothers who'd beat him up. Until it came he could beat them up. State wrestling champ. He liked being in a good fight. And he like killing animals. That was his thing. Track them down. Kill them. Not dows or buzzards. A 4.0 student, but decided to go into the Marines before college.

    His family was alarmed at his reason. He was blunt to anyone who questioned why he was going into the Marines. He wanted to kill men. To hunt them. Not women. Not children. Not just anyone. He wanted to hunt men in the context of legal military service.

    Most bitch of boot camp. When he was on leave after it, he said it was easy other than it took a couple weeks to get used to running with that heavy a pack. He also bitched - that in his opinion over half those enlisted should be washed out - that they were not fit and would only be a liability in combat.

    He said that in boot camp, since it known they would be immediately deployed to Afghanistan, they had them do urban setting small unit battle games - that were to be treated as 100% real. When his CO told him when his turn came to lead (he said some, not all, were given opportunity to lead a squad) to attack an insurgent position in a house, he refused to do it that way, because that would get his men killed. I balked at that, saying I didn't believe he could refuse an order. He said it doesn't work that way, not anymore. That in such situations, if a CO had given an order that a squad leader on the scene decides is too much a casualty risk, the squad leader was not to do so. That if the CO didn't like his refusal, then it would go to the next level for review. Apparently the CO didn't care to push the issue.

    From that, he and a few others were assigned to take the role of the insurgents. The first time they repealed the Marines and the second time they captured one. He stated the officer above his CO told him and that unit they need to let the Marines win - but that he and his small unit were promptly being sent to Afghanistan.

    While there, he said he headed a small squad (I don't remember how many he said it was) and the went to and secured village after village, searching the houses and then moving on. He said the reached the Pakistan border and were told they were the first squad to actually go to the physical border. He opted not to enlist and turned down an offer to become part of a training program for special opts units. His squad suffered no casualities. They had killed enemy. He bitcthed about when the Army rolled into a village, explaining they would piss everyone off by shooting up empty houses and overall playing with their 50 cals. He didn't like air support overhead as it scared off the prey.

    I find nothing unbelievable of his story whatsoever nor, for him, anything unusual for him to see it as "hunting" and that his issue rifle, all of which except the full auto had some fashion of a 20mm grenade launcher, would be is "hunting rifle" in his view.

    The reason it is probably unbelievable to some of you is because you were nothing special, attracted no special attention, and were generic large unit members. Again with one possible exception, none of you were in small unit patrols nor engaged in seek out and destroy missions - something the Marines have done in essentially every war they've ever been in.

    In short, none of you were combat Marines in a hot war zone. One of you may have been in hot zone small unit patrols - something others of you insist never happened.

    And you rage because Marines and other small unit hunter-warriors like him were shining stars compared to your military service. So you self defensively ridicule his accounts and those in the military who did similar - and in doing so overall you hope to ridicule the Marines, the Army Rangers, the Seals, all those who were sent out in small unit patrols in hot zones, and the special ops members who take the highest risks of all - all those being roles you have to EARN by excellence, not just being a generic person minimally making it thru boot camp.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. You have one "specialized role" that you can identify. It is "the guy who marches in the front of the formation when they go somewhere", which they call a squad leader, who is a trainee like anyone else and exercises zero authority or power. In boot camp you are stripped of decision-making, you go and do exactly where and what you are told. Nor are there war games to deny orders in, for that matter.



    That is part of your contract, which is signed well before you get to Boot Camp. Once you leave Boot Camp and go on to your MOS school you may be selected for variations within the MOS you are assigned. For example, I went on a standard UH (infantry) contract, and once I reached SOI was assigned to the 0351 Assaultman package.



    No, it is about time and performance. For example, the highest rank that you can enter the Marine Corps is a Private First Class. 9 months later, you are a Lance Corporal. In the infantry, you may very well get out at this rank, hence the "Terminal Lance Corporal", but as time goes on your cutting score increases and you may pick up Corporal or Sergeant. "Squad Leader" is a Sergeant Billet. A Sergeant in the Infantry is usually either at the very end of his first contract (if he is awesome), or in his second and/or third. However, the billets can be filled by Corporals as needed, who are also usually near the end of their first term.



    as opposed to Rambo McNorris, your buddy.
    NO ONE would ever call you "Rambo." But do continue your sneering at our military's best warriors who took the most risks.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. You have one "specialized role" that you can identify. It is "the guy who marches in the front of the formation when they go somewhere", which they call a squad leader, who is a trainee like anyone else and exercises zero authority or power. In boot camp you are stripped of decision-making, you go and do exactly where and what you are told. Nor are there war games to deny orders in, for that matter.



    That is part of your contract, which is signed well before you get to Boot Camp. Once you leave Boot Camp and go on to your MOS school you may be selected for variations within the MOS you are assigned. For example, I went on a standard UH (infantry) contract, and once I reached SOI was assigned to the 0351 Assaultman package.



    No, it is about time and performance. For example, the highest rank that you can enter the Marine Corps is a Private First Class. 9 months later, you are a Lance Corporal. In the infantry, you may very well get out at this rank, hence the "Terminal Lance Corporal", but as time goes on your cutting score increases and you may pick up Corporal or Sergeant. "Squad Leader" is a Sergeant Billet. A Sergeant in the Infantry is usually either at the very end of his first contract (if he is awesome), or in his second and/or third. However, the billets can be filled by Corporals as needed, who are also usually near the end of their first term.



    as opposed to Rambo McNorris, your buddy.
    I don't believe what you wrote was the absolute rule during all of the Iraq and Afghanistan era. For a while the military had a deep shortage and had dramatically reduced enlistment requirements and how many they slide thru boot camp. This was particularly true for the Marines. They didn't have enough to go around and re-enlistments were falling thru the floor. I don't know why but the oppressive heat while wearing body armor may have had something to do with that.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Only a fool does not understand all military rifles also can be called a hunting rifle. I gather you are an anti gun-freak who claims they are OMG! "ASSAULT RIFLES" that have no other usage. He stated he saw himself as hunting and accordingly referred to his rifle as his hunting rifle. He saw his rifle as for the purpose of hunting down the enemy on patrol. I'm confident you saw yours as only for the purpose of cleaning for inspection.

    Does basic training ever filter enlistees into various roles? That some are not suited for frontline combat, but still usable. Others are for regular usage. Others have particular skills. You say NEVER. I see nothing to back that up, nor does that make any sense. Advancement and assign in the military is not by random drawing lots as you seemingly believe. All your view means is that they never saw anything particularly special or skillful about you so you remained just one of the generic herd. Go on to explain there are not such thing as special ops either, and if so they are randomly selected.

    YOU SHOULD GO START A THREAD OF YOUR VIEW ENTITLED: "MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLES ARE NOT HUNTING RIFLES!" and then continue with some anti-gun rant.

    His primary complaint about the Marines and military in general is not washing out people such as you express yourself to be. His view was the military in terms of ground troops should be limited only to the very best - and everyone else is a liability and handicap. He would have washed you out of his small squad quickly.

    Leaders are those who aren't just passive followers of the pack relying on time-senority. I know that fella. He's the diametric opposite of your views, and I do believe such skills and leadership abilities, plus initiative, are exactly what the Marines are watching for. There are 10,000,000 potential enlistees like you. Not many like him. I know many who were in military service. None others like him.
    Sorry nice try but you are the one who said he had a semi auto weapon. And guess what regular infantry do not have any semi auto rifles.
    To join a special unit there are more or less set in stone routes to take. They all involve trying out in that units selection program and meeting that units standards. No SOF units standard is to be a badass in basic. And no one gets into those units without meeting those standards or skipping selection. In my job I have worked overseas with almost every other SOF element and none of them are picked right out of basic.
    Please show me where I said advancement is random. It is based on meeting requirements such as time in service and passing boards not being a badass. you obviously have no idea what being a leader in the military is.

    I love how you are being showed to be clueless about the military and your comeback is to insult me. But you are right there is nothing skillful or special about me. That is why I have spent the last 6 years and 4 combat deployments in Special Operations. Oh and you are right that I only use my rifle for inspections that and also being the honor grad at my Special Forces Sniper Course. Also you say none of us would have been in a small unit doing patrols well than I must have just imagined my last 11 month deployment where me and the other 10 members of my team lived in a afghani compound 2 hours from the nearest coalition force. Funny it sure seemed real
    And as to your friend kicking me out of his squad seeing as you implied he only had a small stay in the Marines I can guarantee I out rank him so I don't really see that happening. Nice try though
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The scuttlebutt is, that the Chinese Chemical Warfare Corps are already working on a vaginal yeast bomb to be used against our infantry if liberal social engineering continues with in our military and women are allowed to serve as grunts.

    Civilians with in the DOD will probably come up with a "Yeast Infection in Combat Medal" to be rated above the Purple Heart.
    What if that medal smelled real bad?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah. Also apparently he refused orders during a war game in boot camp (they don't run war games in Boot Camp - at most you learn contact front, contact left, contact right, a few hand and arm signals, and how to cross a danger area), and had an entire platoons' worth of M203's in his squad, over which he had control as far as who got assigned. You know, because First Sergeants really reach down and ask recent graduates from Boot Camp how to assign people to rifle squads.
    I know that message is false. There is no chance they would send Marines into a combat zone with NO small unit engagement games. That would be absurd. There were points in time during Iraq and Afghanistan that upon completion of boot camp those enlistees were almost immediately sent to combat. Whether he did that at boot camp itself or something right after boot camp, I dunno. I didn't make a transcript of what he said.

    But you view that a person has to be in the Marines for a couple years before sent out and leading a small squad is just wrong. Most who enlisted were in and out in 2, 3 at the most. I think he was in for 3, but not sure.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Sorry nice try but you are the one who said he had a semi auto weapon. And guess what regular infantry do not have any semi auto rifles.
    To join a special unit there are more or less set in stone routes to take. They all involve trying out in that units selection program and meeting that units standards. No SOF units standard is to be a badass in basic. And no one gets into those units without meeting those standards or skipping selection. In my job I have worked overseas with almost every other SOF element and none of them are picked right out of basic.
    Please show me where I said advancement is random. It is based on meeting requirements such as time in service and passing boards not being a badass. you obviously have no idea what being a leader in the military is.

    I love how you are being showed to be clueless about the military and your comeback is to insult me. But you are right there is nothing skillful or special about me. That is why I have spent the last 6 years and 4 combat deployments in Special Operations. Oh and you are right that I only use my rifle for inspections that and also being the honor grad at my Special Forces Sniper Course.
    And as to your friend kicking me out of his squad seeing as you implied he only had a small stay in the Marines I can guarantee I out rank him so I don't really see that happening. Nice try though
    I do not believe you. He said none of their rifles except one was full auto. I don't remember if he said it was 3-burst or not. But not full auto. Another former Marine also said he did not have full auto. If there are anyone who was in the Marines in the range of about 2-3ish years ago, they can answer whether full autos were standard issue or not. I suppose I could have misunderstood him. I do know his view is that full autos are worthless for the situation he was in, no more useful than would be a full auto rifle for hunting.

    I do not believe you are special ops or a sniper school grad. I believe you think you are.

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