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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    CPWILL says you're a goddamn liar. In his vast experience, he has declared that the military NEVER moved thru remote areas unless at least ONE THOUSAND men did so. So either YOU'RE LYING - or he is just making up crap. I am confident that from what I've been told by those who were there that YOU are who is telling the truth - and CPWILL is full of ****.
    Are you really so clueless as to not understand the difference between Light Infantry or SF counter-insurgency operations and theater level mechanized warfare?

    I hate to break it to you man, but armored vehicles don't work so well on rugged mountain terrain. Our enemies know this, and so tend to position themselves accordingly. Sending in men on the ground to root them out is often the only means available to us of eliminating the threat such enemies represent.

    This isn't exactly "war college" level stuff here.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Since the real world experience of seasoned combat veterans is insufficient, lets see what Veteran's Health Administration says about it.

    Heavy Loads Could Burden Women's Infantry Role | Military.com

    The average female will have trouble as infantry soldiers must carry a load often weighing more than 80 pounds for many hours at a time over rugged terrain in some cases, said Dr. David Cifu, national director of physical medicine and rehabilitation at the Veterans Health Administration.
    “I’m certain the majority of women doing this won’t be physically able to do it as long as the men. It’s a matter of body size and body mechanics,” Cifu said.
    Army reports already have shown that female soldiers, even in training, sustain injuries at a higher rate than men. A study cited in “Musculoskeletal Injuries in Military Women,” noted that cumulative injury incidence among women in basic combat training was 52 percent compared to 26 percent for men. In advanced individual training, it was 30 percent for women and 24 percent for men.
    Keep in mind the above statistic is simply basic training, Infantry School, Ranger School, and SFQC are harder.

    These standards designate strength requirements for infantry as “very heavy” -- meaning a soldier will occasionally have to lift more than 100 pounds, but frequently or constantly be capable of lifting more than 50 pounds. In reality, infantrymen carry anywhere from 60 to 120 pounds of gear in the field depending on their job, Army officials have said.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Are you really so clueless as to not understand the difference between Light Infantry or SF counter-insurgency operations and theater level mechanized warfare?

    I hate to break it to you man, but armored vehicles don't work so well on rugged mountain terrain. Our enemies know this, and so tend to position themselves accordingly. Sending in men on the ground to root them out is often the only means available to us of eliminating the threat such enemies represent.

    This isn't exactly "war college" level stuff here.
    You have us mixed up. It is CPWILL that claims no small units are ever sent out. The account I gave was of a Marine who lead a squad doing exactly what you said is done. To root them out in remote, rugged terrain. On foot. Small unit. Carrying only small arms.

    Whatever he did certainly got some people's attention. His parents are friends with my wife's parents, and her father is their family minister. They had not wanted him to go into the Marines for the reason he was - to literally within the legal context of war hunt and kill people. That was his specific reason. And I know him well enough to know is someone ideally suited to do so. A hunter since a young child. 4.0 smart. State wrestling champ, though not a big guy. Had a couple bigger brothers who'd beat him up, until it came where he could. A natural leader.

    He was offered a high paying position training special ops teams - to train them, not lead them - as this to become an increasing direction the military is headed - to take out specific persons and targets including when drones can't get the job done. His family thought he should accept it. He turned it down. That he had done what he set out to do and has no intention of putting up with all the BS he'd have to put up with in such a position.

    He stated (repeating it) "that Marines walk into battle." I suspect the picture you showed is exactly what he and his squad did, though in his words they preferred to move to small village to small village as temp. base of operation. He wanted the "outsiders" (enemy/insurgents) to see them as vulnerable - particularly at night - but that they actually did most their hunting at night - adding the advantage that they had night vision gear. Most their kills occurred at night.

    Is anyone saying that the military never deployed such tactics? To send out search-and-destroy patrols that stayed out more than a few hours? The army would show up as would air support time to time. He said that the army just screwed up their relationship with the locals and when air power showed up they were wasting their time as the enemy would just go into hiding. His view was that if his squad was seen as alone, undermanned and without support then the insurgents were more likely to try to ambush or take them on. The challenge - to his mind - was not successfully killing the enemy. It was getting the enemy to come out of hiding and fleeing to engage them. He also had some tactics to get local villages to give them info of who and where to hunt.

    CPWILLs claims it fact that our military never does anything that doesn't involve the movement of at least 1000 troops as a unit. I say that's BS.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So what you oppose is any diversity in the military - that no one in the military can do anything other than exactly what everyone else does. What an absurd concept.
    I don't believe in coed combat arms units.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Just BS. I don't buy that our troops are so emotionally frail then can't handle the distraction and "drama" - as one put - of women. What makes it BS is NO ONE can give any example of anyone getting killed because of women in combat. Not ONE incident has been given of that happening. Just bitching about women.
    Our troops are human. They're not machines, nor do we want them to be.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    CPWILL says you're a goddamn liar. In his vast experience, he has declared that the military NEVER moved thru remote areas unless at least ONE THOUSAND men did so. So either YOU'RE LYING - or he is just making up crap. I am confident that from what I've been told by those who were there that YOU are who is telling the truth - and CPWILL is full of ****.
    Do you have any idea how idiotic you sound?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Actually, you conceded because you had to rely on lying to make your point. You lied. I never wrote he said he had no boots. LIAR. I never wrote he said he was the first to walk through villages. LIAR again. He stated his was the first squad to reach the Pakistan border in that district.

    I suspect there may be Marines on the forum that would dispute your claim that the Marines were only in force in groups of "thousands" as you put it. At this point, we should figure everything you post on these topics of personal experience is a lie - because you think lying wins issues.

    He did speak of the Army/Guard - which he called "cowboys." That they do tend to move in large numbers and rely on mechanization and massive fire power. And when then would arrive they'd screw everything up by shooting up and blowing **** for the hell of it.

    He said "Marines walk. Army rides." That the Marines walk into a village. The Army and Guard come in Hummers with 50 cals.

    He stated his squad had rifles with a grenade launcher, that their rifles were not full auto, but they had one full auto gunner - which he said he saw as only being of value if they were in danger of being overrun. He described the area he was in as very remote and rural, low population.

    I have no doubt you have no experience with the Marines whatsoever. I think everyone who knows anything about how the Marines functioned in Afghanistan knows that your claim that they only acted groups of "thousands" of Marines means you are who doesn't know what the hell you're talking about.

    I was recounting was I was told. True or not. You? You just outrighted lied on top of lies about what I wrote, then ridiculed your own lies. You got nothing. All you did was discredited yourself.

    ANYONE want to back up CP's FACT-CLAIM that the MARINES never went anywhere in Afghanistan but they didn't move around in groups of a thousand or more? In his words, it is the army that relies on mass numbers, massive firepower and mechanized transport. Not the Marines.

    I'm getting the feeling those boasting of their great military experience were weekend warriors sent to Iraq or Afghanistan - squealing all the way. Now, afterwards, decided you were the ultimate warriors.

    EDIT ADD: Tone that down 50% and you got my response.
    1. When the Marines went into Helmand, thousands of guys did touch down. There was no "first one", as you claimed. Three beefed-up battalions hit the ground, with numerous support units. The standard Marine patrol is a 13 man squad.

    2. The utter and complete BS of your war story has been identified by multiple veterans who know full well when someone is making ridiculous crap up.

    3. People on this forum have known me before and in the Marine Corps. People on this forum have met me in the Marine Corps. Trust me - you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are only embarrassing yourself.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey Joko

    Have I ever told you about my combat exploits during the Vietnam War on Operation Kerry ?

    Our Marine battalion's mission was to strike deep into North Vietnam across the DMZ and we ran up against an Imperial North Vietnamese army division. We got hit hard. With in minutes I was the only one alive and was down to ten rounds of ammunition.

    Then Charley yelled "BANZAI" ! and 300 Red Diaper Chinese soldiers advanced on my position. I fired off all ten rounds and took down 50 of the enemy. I then fixed bayonet and counter attacked and eliminated the other 250.

    Then to my right a Jap machinegun opened fire and I drew my K-Bar and attacked the Jap machinegun nest. I got hit 32 times in my chest but I continued to advance. Once I was on top of them I showed no mercy and cut off their ears before I slit their throats.

    Thinking the battle was won I all of a sudden heard the sound of tanks ! It was a German Panzer company. I out flanked the tanks and pulled the tank treads off the tanks with my bare hands. With the Panzers disabled the German soldiers surrendered.

    After reading the Germans their Miranda Rights we grilled some brats and downed some brewskies until we heard the wop wop wop wop of the 1st Air Cav coming in to mop up and take credit for winning the battle.

    When I got back to the States, LBJ personally pinned the Good Conduct Medal in my chest.
    AAAAHHHH I literally am having trouble typing fromlauging so hard

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I suspect the real story is you were drafts and squealed all the way, kept your head low, came back and have told war-glory stories ever since.
    Other than the (above) piece of hilariousness, I have yet to see him tell an unrealistic war story. That's the most reliable indicator - since liars are looking for some kind of credibility that isn't theirs, their stories are more usually completely ridiculous in such a way that makes them look cool.

    You know, sort of like the stories you tell of your buddy .

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. When the Marines went into Helmand, thousands of guys did touch down. There was no "first one", as you claimed. Three beefed-up battalions hit the ground, with numerous support units. The standard Marine patrol is a 13 man squad.

    2. The utter and complete BS of your war story has been identified by multiple veterans who know full well when someone is making ridiculous crap up.

    3. People on this forum have known me before and in the Marine Corps. People on this forum have met me in the Marine Corps. Trust me - you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are only embarrassing yourself.

    Apparently you are correct that no squad was the first to reach the Pakistan border in that district less than 1000 strong as you claimed - and when they did they all landed 1000 all together at the Pakistan border. Or at least one person completely agrees with you that is indisputable fact.

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