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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm all for women in all females combat arms units, that have to meet the same standards as males in male units.
    So what you oppose is any diversity in the military - that no one in the military can do anything other than exactly what everyone else does. What an absurd concept.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The above excerpt is from the Marine Corps "think tank" Marine Corps Association publication.

    More excerpts:

    >" And what about sex? The desire is natural, mutual, essentially continual and unchanging. The truth is that "integration" erodes combat effectiveness--lowering behavioral and proficiency expectations and riddling the force with time-consuming misconduct issues. We put men and women in a position to fail, discipline them when they do, and tell commanders “this is a leadership issue.” Never mind that we have created a reality based on “how things should be,” rather than how they are..."<

    Full article: -> Women In Combat: The Issue Hasn't Been Settled | Marine Corps Gazette
    This. A hundred times this. Politically Correct Stories =/= Reality, and forgetting that gets' people killed.

    Maybe we will now be told that the Marine Corps Gazette is ridiculous nonsense written by people who are faking their service?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Point it out. There were aspects I did not believe, particularly about boot camp and he gave his explanation. Explain how it's wrong or "bs."
    You got smacked down on his story the last time you tried to use him as a fig-leaf for substituting uninformed opinions for experience.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The incessant claim is that the presence of women detracts from team cohesion, which has the effect of degrading combat efficiency. Incidents have been described multiple times in this thread for you.
    Just BS. I don't buy that our troops are so emotionally frail then can't handle the distraction and "drama" - as one put - of women. What makes it BS is NO ONE can give any example of anyone getting killed because of women in combat. Not ONE incident has been given of that happening. Just bitching about women.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This. A hundred times this. Politically Correct Stories =/= Reality, and forgetting that gets' people killed.

    Maybe we will now be told that the Marine Corps Gazette is ridiculous nonsense written by people who are faking their service?

    Let's go back an post the navy's opinion that aircraft could never sink a battleship.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Just BS. I don't buy that our troops are so emotionally frail then can't handle the distraction and "drama" - as one put - of women. What makes it BS is NO ONE can give any example of anyone getting killed because of women in combat. Not ONE incident has been given of that happening. Just bitching about women.
    There haven't been any women in combat arms units, so the point is irrelevant.

    You can't point to any examples of child soldiers getting our regular men killed in combat either. I wouldn't take this fact as being evidence that they should be allowed to serve.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines


    Actually, you conceded because you had to rely on lying to make your point. You lied. I never wrote he said he had no boots. LIAR. I never wrote he said he was the first to walk through villages. LIAR again. He stated his was the first squad to reach the Pakistan border in that district.

    I suspect there may be Marines on the forum that would dispute your claim that the Marines were only in force in groups of "thousands" as you put it. At this point, we should figure everything you post on these topics of personal experience is a lie - because you think lying wins issues.

    He did speak of the Army/Guard - which he called "cowboys." That they do tend to move in large numbers and rely on mechanization and massive fire power. And when then would arrive they'd screw everything up by shooting up and blowing **** for the hell of it.

    He said "Marines walk. Army rides." That the Marines walk into a village. The Army and Guard come in Hummers with 50 cals.

    He stated his squad had rifles with a grenade launcher, that their rifles were not full auto, but they had one full auto gunner - which he said he saw as only being of value if they were in danger of being overrun. He described the area he was in as very remote and rural, low population.

    I have no doubt you have no experience with the Marines whatsoever. I think everyone who knows anything about how the Marines functioned in Afghanistan knows that your claim that they only acted groups of "thousands" of Marines means you are who doesn't know what the hell you're talking about.

    I was recounting was I was told. True or not. You? You just outrighted lied on top of lies about what I wrote, then ridiculed your own lies. You got nothing. All you did was discredited yourself.

    ANYONE want to back up CP's FACT-CLAIM that the MARINES never went anywhere in Afghanistan but they didn't move around in groups of a thousand or more? In his words, it is the army that relies on mass numbers, massive firepower and mechanized transport. Not the Marines.

    I'm getting the feeling those boasting of their great military experience were weekend warriors sent to Iraq or Afghanistan - squealing all the way. Now, afterwards, decided you were the ultimate warriors.

    EDIT ADD: Tone that down 50% and you got my response.
    Last edited by joko104; 11-27-13 at 10:35 PM.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Point it out. There were aspects I did not believe, particularly about boot camp and he gave his explanation. Explain how it's wrong or "bs."
    Hey Joko

    Have I ever told you about my combat exploits during the Vietnam War on Operation Kerry ?

    Our Marine battalion's mission was to strike deep into North Vietnam across the DMZ and we ran up against an Imperial North Vietnamese army division. We got hit hard. With in minutes I was the only one alive and was down to ten rounds of ammunition.

    Then Charley yelled "BANZAI" ! and 300 Red Diaper Chinese soldiers advanced on my position. I fired off all ten rounds and took down 50 of the enemy. I then fixed bayonet and counter attacked and eliminated the other 250.

    Then to my right a Jap machinegun opened fire and I drew my K-Bar and attacked the Jap machinegun nest. I got hit 32 times in my chest but I continued to advance. Once I was on top of them I showed no mercy and cut off their ears before I slit their throats.

    Thinking the battle was won I all of a sudden heard the sound of tanks ! It was a German Panzer company. I out flanked the tanks and pulled the tank treads off the tanks with my bare hands. With the Panzers disabled the German soldiers surrendered.

    After reading the Germans their Miranda Rights we grilled some brats and downed some brewskies until we heard the wop wop wop wop of the 1st Air Cav coming in to mop up and take credit for winning the battle.

    When I got back to the States, LBJ personally pinned the Good Conduct Medal in my chest.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I can give you plenty of real life examples where lacking physical capabilities can cost lives. Imagine you're patrolling up a mountain in enemy territory, loaded with 100+ lbs of gear, and the entire patrol has to wait for the weakest link, and people have to start carrying that person's gear for them, thus weighing the team down even further. Because of this delay you can't make your rendevous point and your ride out (helicopter, which you have very limited use of), has to come back at another time, so your patrol is stranded in enemy territory. I know, because I've personally seen this happen.

    The fact is simple, women have a fraction of the physical requirements, even in the infantry, that men do. That is a HUUUUGE problem. These women that passed will be the weakest links in their units. I'm confused why you would defend lowering the quality of our combat arms. Physical fitness DOES matter, and it matters a LOT. If women want to be part of combat arms, they should meet the same requirements their teammates do.

    Frankly though, the unit would just put that weak link back in the fob watching a radio or something, but then again maybe she'll complain of discrimination and they'd have to take her anyway.



    I have personally been outside the wire without resupply for weeks at a time. This is a very real scenario, please do not talk about things you have ZERO idea or experience of.



    Your massive ignorance of the physical requirements of modern combat is undeniable. You seem to picture all war as riding around a tank in the middle of baghdad.

    When in reality it looks like this:

    CPWILL says you're a goddamn liar. In his vast experience, he has declared that the military NEVER moved thru remote areas unless at least ONE THOUSAND men did so. So either YOU'RE LYING - or he is just making up crap. I am confident that from what I've been told by those who were there that YOU are who is telling the truth - and CPWILL is full of ****.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey Joko

    Have I ever told you about my combat exploits during the Vietnam War on Operation Kerry ?

    Our Marine battalion's mission was to strike deep into North Vietnam across the DMZ and we ran up against an Imperial North Vietnamese army division. We got hit hard. With in minutes I was the only one alive and was down to ten rounds of ammunition.

    Then Charley yelled "BANZAI" ! and 300 Red Diaper Chinese soldiers advanced on my position. I fired off all ten rounds and took down 50 of the enemy. I then fixed bayonet and counter attacked and eliminated the other 250.

    Then to my right a Jap machinegun opened fire and I drew my K-Bar and attacked the Jap machinegun nest. I got hit 32 times in my chest but I continued to advance. Once I was on top of them I showed no mercy and cut off their ears before I slit their throats.

    Thinking the battle was won I all of a sudden heard the sound of tanks ! It was a German Panzer company. I out flanked the tanks and pulled the tank treads off the tanks with my bare hands. With the Panzers disabled the German soldiers surrendered.

    After reading the Germans their Miranda Rights we grilled some brats and downed some brewskies until we heard the wop wop wop wop of the 1st Air Cav coming in to mop up and take credit for winning the battle.

    When I got back to the States, LBJ personally pinned the Good Conduct Medal in my chest.
    I suspect the real story is you were drafts and squealed all the way, kept your head low, came back and have told war-glory stories ever since.

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