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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's how I feel too. If she can pass the basic training and standards, then why not?
    Because Combat is a Team Sport. Someone could be the strongest individual in the world, and if they detract from the ability of the team to operate as a team, they aren't a help, they are a hindrance.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Pull ups.

    Yes, the next war will be decided by who is better with a battle ax.
    and then there are the people who have no idea what they are talking about, but don't let that stop them from trying to look smarter than everyone else.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure you are. You and NP both constantly badmouth the military. "Of Course"...the military was OBVIOUSLY better back in the day...blah blah blah......typical rhetoric....nothing more....nothing less.
    Yeah, it's been downhill ever since they started issuing rifles that use a cartridge. A REAL soldier doesn't use whimp-ass cartridges. A REAL soldier loads it all up himself. And if there is more than one enemy, he'll take out the rest with his combat knife.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    I'm just tired of the mentality of people like NP and Apbst who think that their generation was the only good one...and bad mouth and bemoan those who come after them as not being as good. The reality is....the men and women of the military today are every bit as good as those who served before them.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Because Combat is a Team Sport. Someone could be the strongest individual in the world, and if they detract from the ability of the team to operate as a team, they aren't a help, they are a hindrance.
    And how is she a hindrance if she can pass all the tests?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And how is she a hindrance if she can pass all the tests?
    .....how long has it been since you spent much time as a single young female in the company of lots of ramped-up, in-shape 18-22 year old males, who were self selected to have a higher bias towards aggression and alpha-male typology and then trained to think they were invincible?

    We had females come out to the FOB. It was the same disaster story it is everywhere else it is tried. The concept of team broke down as everyone tried to get laid. It's a huge problem in the mixed-gender units as well, both on deployment and in the rear. That's why they have to go to all the lengths they do on deployment to try to stop people from hammering away like rabbits.

    If we sent our 50 year olds into combat sure. Maybe. But our 18-22 year olds suffer from the fact that they are between the ages of 18 and 22.

    Now is the part where (typically) the response is "professionalism" and my response is "reality - and in reality appealing to professionalism to paper over real problems results in more dead 18 year old kids" No thanks. I've said enough good-bye's to last me at least until I'm old enough that at least my friends are dying of old age.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL.....falling back on your failed arguments again. Why don't you just stop bad mouthing the military. The men and women who serve today are every bit as good, if not better than those who served before them. They deserve our support and respect....not your blathering and bad mouthing them.
    The standards have been lowered so that chicks can pass infantry school. That doesn't create a more effective fighting force, but forcing everyone to meet a lower standard is the onlyvway Libbs can make everyone equal.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Pull ups.

    Yes, the next war will be decided by who is better with a battle ax.

    Give me a statistic of who many enemy casualties we caused and we suffered in hand-to-hand unarmed combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, since it appears many believe that still determined the outcome of a battle?
    When's the last time you humped 60 pounds of gear 30 miles? Have you ever?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .....how long has it been since you spent much time as a single young female in the company of lots of ramped-up, in-shape 18-22 year old males, who were self selected to have a higher bias towards aggression and alpha-male typology and then trained to think they were invincible?

    We had females come out to the FOB. It was the same disaster story it is everywhere else it is tried. The concept of team broke down as everyone tried to get laid. It's a huge problem in the mixed-gender units as well, both on deployment and in the rear. That's why they have to go to all the lengths they do on deployment to try to stop people from hammering away like rabbits.

    If we sent our 50 year olds into combat sure. Maybe. But our 18-22 year olds suffer from the fact that they are between the ages of 18 and 22.

    Now is the part where (typically) the response is "professionalism" and my response is "reality - and in reality appealing to professionalism to paper over real problems results in more dead 18 year old kids" No thanks. I've said enough good-bye's to last me at least until I'm old enough that at least my friends are dying of old age.
    Well, maybe those 18-22 year olds need to be taught some professionalism. Either that or maybe they are just TOO young and immature to be in the military at all?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    The view that the Marines consist singularly of ground assault soldiers is nave and false. And hand-to-hand combat is increasingly irrelevant anyway. Are men inherently better shots? If not, then the complaint is nothing.

    In addition, there are many situations where women would be more suited than men in foreign countries, given that men aren't even allowed in some settings, just like women are not in other settings. There are situations where women would be more persuasive.

    One real problem Hitler had taking Stalingrad was German troops were limited only to men, Russian troops were not. Women served not only in front line combat groups, but numerous support roles too. I have no doubt German troops were not laughing about Russian women in the infantry before it was over - particularly the women operating machine gun nests. Germans had pushed the Stalingrad defense to just a few blocks - and if you study that even in detail you find it was Russia having both women and men in frontline combat that made the difference. But for women, Stalingrad would have fallen - and if it had the war would have proceeded in an entirely different direction - opening Russian oil to Germany and kept a couple hundred thousand more Germans on the Western front.

    It has often been pointed out that whether it be Muslim or otherwise, a society that only uses 1/2 it's population are also those most impoverished and limited societies.

    Women have some inherent superiorities. For example, on average women can take more pain than a man.

    But, on the bottom line, the measure of a good soldier being the one who can do the most pull-ups is - simply put - absurd. Even for Marines.
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