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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

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    It happens in EMS as well. Strength matters. Some would have us believe that is no longer the case.
    I can imagine. Every first responder should have to meet strict physical fitness requirements. I know some folks will catch a case of feelings about it, but lives are more important than pleasing oversensitive knuckleheads.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

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    So what? It shows that there are women out there who are suited to go to war and some that actually WANT to, believe it or not.
    In all female units.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In all female units.
    This is so ridiculous. Maybe you should do some research on Israel's IDF. THEY don't seem to have these issues with women being members of the military.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    More women soldiers seeking to serve in combat units, IDF says | JPost | Israel News

    “We’re seeing growing numbers of women in combat roles compared to last year. There are more women interested in significant service in the IDF as combat soldiers,” said Brig.-Gen. Raheli Tavat-Vizel, who advises the chief of staff on women’s affairs in the military.

    An IDF spokeswoman said figures for women serving in combat roles in 2013 were not yet available to the media, but figures for previous years showed a clear rise between 2006 and 2012.

    As of last year, 58.9% of the Caracal infantry unit, stationed on the border with Egypt, was made up of women, and 10% of Artillery Corps soldiers were women. The Border Police consisted of 6.3% women members.

    Tavat-Vizel said that female soldiers serving in units such as those operating Iron Dome anti-rocket batteries and in Caracal have all expressed high satisfaction with their service.

    “The commanders of these units, and the commanders of the arenas, are very satisfied with the service of the female soldiers. They are treated like their male counterparts, as we would expect,” Tavat-Vizel added.

    An effort is being made to recruit religious female soldiers too, she said.

    Tavat-Vizel’s office is working to ensure women soldiers are treated equally and promoted on an equal basis. These efforts resulted in a recent decision by the IDF to shorten the service time of male soldiers to two years eight months and lengthen the service time of women to two years and four months, beginning in July 2015.

    “When the women serve for as long as the men, we’ll be able to cancel the volunteer procedure for [female] combat roles and turn this into a normal recruitment target,” Tavat- Vizel explained.

    In recent days, a conference was held in Tel Aviv to encourage the enlistment of women to combat roles.

    Organized by Tavat-Vizel’s office, the conference featured a variety of women soldiers and officers who spoke to younger women about to enlist in the military.

    “We gathered a group of quality women who are interested in combat and made available the information they needed,” Tavat-Vizel said.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is so ridiculous. Maybe you should do some research on Israel's IDF. THEY don't seem to have these issues with women being members of the military.
    The IDF is a female military high tech computer corps. I don't believe they are sent into combat situations.

    Greetings, ChrisL.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The IDF is a female military high tech computer corps. I don't believe they are sent into combat situations.

    Greetings, ChrisL.
    Greetings polgara!

    Sorry but you would be wrong. You should read the post.

    From the link I posted above: “When the women serve for as long as the men, we’ll be able to cancel the volunteer procedure for [female] combat roles and turn this into a normal recruitment target,” Tavat- Vizel explained.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    [QUOTE=ChrisL;1062595480]Greetings polgara!

    Sorry but you would be wrong. You should read the post.

    From the link I posted above: “When the women serve for as long as the men, we’ll be able to cancel the volunteer procedure for [female] combat roles and turn this into a normal recruitment target,” Tavat- Vizel explained.[/QUOT

    I am familiar with the IDF. So far, it appears that Israel is in the process of evaluating expanding the role of women beyond serving as military police. It's not clear to me if they serve alongside the men, or if it is an all-female group doing the same type of work as the men. Do you know?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Just a general FYI regarding the combat roles of women in the IDF.

    Caracal Battalion - although is considered to be a combat battalion, it is not being regarded on the level of the other infantry battalions Zanhanim, Golani, Givaty, and I'm not even talking about the special units inside these battalions.
    That is the reason why for most of its history the Caracal battalion was kept on the southern border with Egypt - that was always considered to be the quietest.
    They do all the things together with the boys (or better to say that the boys do all the things with them), but they sleep and live in separate quarters.

    Artillery - Girls take part in the MLRS battalion, Nurit unit, and in some "special" units like the ones that operate drones, etc. Not actually doing any combat.

    Magav - Border police - girls again are considered to be combat soldiers, though one of the main aims of that unit isn't to engage in direct combat with enemy forces, but to provide security, in various regions of the WB and Jerusalem.

    Field Intelligence Gathering units - girls are considered as combat soldiers, but aren't allowed to join the on foot teams - girls can only join motorized teams.

    Dog trainers and operators - girls are considered as combat soldiers, do all the training and all. But aren't allowed to join combat missions, or missions with special units.

    There are some others but they usually do even less than these.

    EDIT: Btw there are problems which arise as a result of the boy/girl mixture in these units and others... ranging from rapes, fights, to couples fighting...etc.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Just a general FYI regarding the combat roles of women in the IDF.

    Caracal Battalion - although is considered to be a combat battalion, it is not being regarded on the level of the other infantry battalions Zanhanim, Golani, Givaty, and I'm not even talking about the special units inside these battalions.
    That is the reason why for most of its history the Caracal battalion was kept on the southern border with Egypt - that was always considered to be the quietest.

    Artillery - Girls take part in the MLRS battalion, Nurit unit, and in some "special" units like the ones that operate drones, etc. Not actually doing any combat.

    Magav - Border police - girls again are considered to be combat soldiers, though one of the main aims of that unit isn't to engage in direct combat with enemy forces, but to provide security, in various regions of the WB and Jerusalem.

    Field Intelligence Gathering units - girls are considered as combat soldiers, but aren't allowed to join the on foot teams - girls can only join motorized teams.

    Dog trainers and operators - girls are considered as combat soldiers, do all the training and all. But aren't allowed to join combat missions, or missions with special units.

    There are some others but they usually do even less than these.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Here's an interesting link I found regarding women in Israel and combat service.

    Israeli Army Women | Service Options

    Female Combat Options


    TOTCHANIM

    Females are integrated into service in the artillery alignment in various combat and command positions in many fields, such as command posts over advanced operational and attack systems, management and calculation of artillery fire, operation of communication devices, and conducting meteorologist case studies to improve artillery fire accuracy, etc. They serve in combat units and complete advanced training, at the end of which they are integrated into continuous security operations across Israel. The female combatants commit themselves to 36 month mandatory military service, as well as to reserve duty.

    KARAKAL

    Karakal is a special battalion (gdud) inside the realm of Chir that is comprised of both women and men, both of which do all of the training together and exercises/guarding which is required. It is a unit that is full capacity combat and mainly is stationed in the south at the Egyptian border and the Jordanian border. Women need to posses an 82 profiles (Men 72) and pass Gibbush Lochemot (Women Fighters Tryout) in order to be accepted into Karakal. To find out when the gibbushim are, please look at Gibbushim Dates.

    OKETZ

    This is a sayaret of the Kfir Brigade. For women, they must first pass Gibbush Lochemot (Female Fighter Tryout) in order to be a fighter. If a woman passes the Gibbush, she is placed Karakal (which is a faction of the Kfir Brigade). Once starting tironut in Karakal, there is a Gibbush (Tryout) within the unit in order to be accepted to Oketz.

    Men need to be drafted into Kfir, and then do the Gibbush for Oketz. If they pass the Gibbush men are placed into Oketz. If they do not pass, then they continue as a combat soldier in Kfir.

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