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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Getting a 270 on the APFT is the minimum in the 173rd (90 pts above the Army minimum). Superstars should be 290+ or 300+. The excuse however that women can't do pullups is ridiculous, as my wife is a pullup beast.
    you need 20 dead-hang (no kipping) to get a max for the USMC PFT. And a three-mile run in 18:00. The run is the biggest thing that costs people their max.

    Nobody can be that ignorant.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    You can argue that some jobs aren't as physical but when were talking combat arms thats different.

    I started my career off as a 17 year old 11B Infantryman.

    Its not a lifestyle that even all men are suited for and many who do will do it for a couple of years and get out or reclass.

    I remember the wash out rate in Airborne and AirAssault schools for women were very high and these were schools my battle buddies and I considered easy.

    I just don't see being able to point out a handful of women that might make it as justification to change everything to make civilians feel better about themselves.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    You can argue that some jobs aren't as physical but when were talking combat arms thats different.

    I started my career off as a 17 year old 11B Infantryman.

    Its not a lifestyle that even all men are suited for and many who do will do it for a couple of years and get out or reclass.

    I remember the wash out rate in Airborne and AirAssault schools for women were very high and these were schools my battle buddies and I considered easy.

    I just don't see being able to point out a handful of women that might make it as justification to change everything to make civilians feel better about themselves.
    I just want to say, thanks for being one of the worlds elite warriors!

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Should I, as an asthmatic, be allowed to fight in infantry? No, my medical condition would put fellow soldiers at risk. If you are a detriment to the military (which females that cannot perform at a male level or need would be) then you are better left not joining, you weigh down the military and put others at risk. Do I think there should be opportunities to serve? Sure, in non-combat areas.
    No, you are not medically qualified, UNLESS you offered a unique intellectual skill or knowledge and then you should be.

    This thread should be just called the male-sexist-ranting-of-their-superiority thread.

    In fact, women are superior to men in many regards, including related to combat. Here are examples:

    1. Women are inherently smarter than men.
    Women hold higher brain than men in reasoning and thinking | International Reporter
    Women are scientifically considered exceptionally better at talking than men. It is because the females are supposed to have higher brain levels than the male gender.

    The scientists also consider that the women have a special “language protein” called Foxp2 which plays an important role in language development, as per the new research.

    The research has its reasons why women are superior in talking than men; the women can also talk nearly three times more than men comfortably without any fatigue.


    2. Women are linguistically more skilled. (link above)
    Since foreign deployments involve interacting with foreign nationals, women would be a superior occupation force and superior at interrogations.

    3. Women are better snipers due to having superior patience (link previously provided and proven in the Russian military in WWII

    4. Women have a higher threshold of pain. A male soldier would be disabled by pain quicker than a woman, making the male soldier less viable. A man soldier also would more surrender to pain and be more broken if captured in interrogation.
    Why Women Are the Superior Gender | Psychology Today

    5. Women require less food, meaning require less support and supply. (same link)

    6. Women have higher social intelligence. (same link)

    7. Also, having two X chromosomes provides a huge health advantage. This reduces their medical costs during and after service, allowing more military funding per soldier. (same link)

    Actually, I could go on probably for a couple of pages. However, I think the premise men here are making is that if there is ONE shortcoming of a gender, that gender should be banned.

    Accordingly, in that reasoning, men should no longer be allowed in the military or in combat roles due to their numerous inferiorities to men.

    Now you men can keep on with your furious claim that you are superior. You aren't, but try to keep your dignity as having been or are low rankers in the military.


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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, you are not medically qualified, UNLESS you offered a unique intellectual skill or knowledge and then you should be.

    This thread should be just called the male-sexist-ranting-of-their-superiority thread.

    In fact, women are superior to men in many regards, including related to combat. Here are examples:

    1. Women are inherently smarter than men.
    Women hold higher brain than men in reasoning and thinking | International Reporter
    Women are scientifically considered exceptionally better at talking than men. It is because the females are supposed to have higher brain levels than the male gender.

    The scientists also consider that the women have a special “language protein” called Foxp2 which plays an important role in language development, as per the new research.

    The research has its reasons why women are superior in talking than men; the women can also talk nearly three times more than men comfortably without any fatigue.


    2. Women are linguistically more skilled. (link above)
    Since foreign deployments involve interacting with foreign nationals, women would be a superior occupation force and superior at interrogations.

    3. Women are better snipers due to having superior patience (link previously provided and proven in the Russian military in WWII

    4. Women have a higher threshold of pain. A male soldier would be disabled by pain quicker than a woman, making the male soldier less viable. A man soldier also would more surrender to pain and be more broken if captured in interrogation.
    Why Women Are the Superior Gender | Psychology Today

    5. Women require less food, meaning require less support and supply. (same link)

    6. Women have higher social intelligence. (same link)

    7. Also, having two X chromosomes provides a huge health advantage. This reduces their medical costs during and after service, allowing more military funding per soldier. (same link)

    Actually, I could go on probably for a couple of pages. However, I think the premise men here are making is that if there is ONE shortcoming of a gender, that gender should be banned.

    Accordingly, in that reasoning, men should no longer be allowed in the military or in combat roles due to their numerous inferiorities to men.

    Now you men can keep on with your furious claim that you are superior. You aren't, but try to keep your dignity as having been or are low rankers in the military.


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    Your sexist rant doesn't change the reality of the situation. All in all-women can't compete physically. This is simply FACT.

    Stop justifying putting those less qualified into a position they didn't earn-because of your political bias.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    ^^ This was really the only reason I opposed women in the infantry. The standards for women have always been a fraction of what they are for men, and now those substandard performers can make it into the infantry.

    If you're a woman who wants to be in the infantry, you need to be prepared to pass the same physical and mental standards that the men do, plain and simple. A team is only as strong as their weakest link, and these 3 women seem to be those weak links.
    No ****. I remember doing CLS in Carol. Last day of the course, we had to be in full battle rattle, drag the "injured" Soldier to cover and administer initial aid. After the second iteration, we had to remove the IBA because the female Soldiers couldn't perform as expected. That's not even infantry, we were mechanics. Female soldiers get coddled way too much, while males do the brunt of the physical work so pencil pushers can fudge the numbers, with the unintended concequence of creating resentments that threaten unit cohesion. I've met three female soldiers who were worth a damn, and they were excellent soldiers. The others were worthless princesses who had no business being anything but cashiers or greeters. A bunch of them seem to enlist simply to hook up with a soldier, get hitched, and get themselves knocked up for the free chapter and housing paid for by the Army. I imagine there's a lot of that in the Marines, too.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    No ****. I remember doing CLS in Carol. Last day of the course, we had to be in full battle rattle, drag the "injured" Soldier to cover and administer initial aid. After the second iteration, we had to remove the IBA because the female Soldiers couldn't perform as expected. That's not even infantry, we were mechanics. Female soldiers get coddled way too much, while males do the brunt of the physical work so pencil pushers can fudge the numbers, with the unintended concequence of creating resentments that threaten unit cohesion. I've met three female soldiers who were worth a damn, and they were excellent soldiers. The others were worthless princesses who had no business being anything but cashiers or greeters. A bunch of them seem to enlist simply to hook up with a soldier, get hitched, and get themselves knocked up for the free chapter and housing paid for by the Army. I imagine there's a lot of that in the Marines, too.
    It happens in EMS as well. Strength matters. Some would have us believe that is no longer the case.

    Because they are required to comply to the Commander in Cheif-leftists love implementing social policy through the military. Its just not cool.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    As a 34 year old male this is my standard vs a female the same age.
    These are the minimums for a passing score
    Pushups (male)-36 (female) 15
    Situps (male)-42 (female) 42
    2mile run (male)-17:42 (female) 21:42

    So as you can see a 34 year old male has to do 21 more pushups and run two miles four minutes faster than a female to pass.

    A female meeting the minimum standards for a male would get a score of 240 while the male would only get a 180.

    Thats a considerable difference.
    Again, for the umpteenth time, that is NOT the point I'm arguing here. I've stated NUMEROUS times now that I think the women should have to meet the same qualifications as the men.

    EVEN THOUGH I've acknowledged that point several times now, many here STILL can't seem to grasp that others don't care if the women can meet the physical requirement standards.

    The simple fact that they are WOMEN is enough apparently for some to keep them OUT of the military because they are to be blamed for men's lack of control. This is reminiscent of making women wear burkas because men cannot control themselves. IT is utterly ridiculous.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Why do you continue to insist that everyone in this thread that actually knows what they are talking about is obviously either insane, or making it up? Do you really credit us so lowly that we are incapable of accurately describing our experience?
    First of all, I didn't say that HE was insane. I said that post and way of looking at the issue is insane. WOMEN are not going to be the detriment to the entire military. That is pure hyperbole.

    If you guys cannot control yourselves around women, then that is YOUR problem and NOT the women's fault.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Their want is irrelevant. The Needs of the Military are what control personnel assignment, and the primary objective is Mission Accomplishment, not Everyone Feels Happy About Their Opportunities.
    No it is not irrelevant. Women are people and human beings with wants and desires every bit as much as men are. If a woman wants to help by contributing her time and risking her life to protect her country, then who the hell are YOU to say she cannot? Just because you get horny? Give me a break!

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