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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How many women get pregnant on an aircraft carrier at sea? Its often several.
    According to a study done by the US Navy some time ago, I think, it was around 10%.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's insane.
    Why do you continue to insist that everyone in this thread that actually knows what they are talking about is obviously either insane, or making it up? Do you really credit us so lowly that we are incapable of accurately describing our experience?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because they WANT to, that's why.
    Their want is irrelevant. The Needs of the Military are what control personnel assignment, and the primary objective is Mission Accomplishment, not Everyone Feels Happy About Their Opportunities.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    For no benefit? I beg to differ. Well if the woman is encouraging contact, then she should be disciplined. Just because some people cannot control themselves (and it certainly is FAR from a majority), that is no reason to disallow women who can meet the physical fitness standards.
    Actually, in the military, it is - it's called "Prejudicial to Good Order and Discipline"; and it is a far more significant number than you are allowing. I've directly supervised at different points in the last few years 8 females. Of that, two of them slept with co-workers to include members of their chain of command, one had an affair with another Marine (both were married), and one had an affair with a Marine who was married (she was separated), and got pregnant in the last couple of months prior to a deployment so she could skip it. The drama and investigations wrecked any sense of team, any sense of unity - that unit was broken into warring sections before it even set foot out the door, and it was all due to the drama that comes with having mixed-gender units. So that's 4 out of 8. The other three were outstanding Marines - I put two of them up for meritorious promotion, and put another in an extremely high-profile billet. It's worth noting of those four, however, that one of them was married to a Marine who then cheated on her with several other female Marines and then divorced her, one was happily married, and one was a lesbian.

    Most of these kinds of women would more than like be "big and strong" women and not the "sex kitten" type that most men would be lusting over all the time.
    two words: Deployment Pretty.

    On a deployment, if it doesn't actually have a penis, most guys will want to screw it. One of the side effects of being Out There and under constant stress.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually, in the military, it is - it's called "Prejudicial to Good Order and Discipline"; and it is a far more significant number than you are allowing. I've directly supervised at different points in the last few years 8 females. Of that, two of them slept with co-workers to include members of their chain of command, one had an affair with another Marine (both were married), and one had an affair with a Marine who was married (she was separated), and got pregnant in the last couple of months prior to a deployment so she could skip it. The drama and investigations wrecked any sense of team, any sense of unity - that unit was broken into warring sections before it even set foot out the door, and it was all due to the drama that comes with having mixed-gender units. So that's 4 out of 8. The other three were outstanding Marines - I put two of them up for meritorious promotion, and put another in an extremely high-profile billet. It's worth noting of those four, however, that one of them was married to a Marine who then cheated on her with several other female Marines and then divorced her, one was happily married, and one was a lesbian.



    two words: Deployment Pretty.

    On a deployment, if it doesn't actually have a penis, most guys will want to screw it. One of the side effects of being Out There and under constant stress.
    Sounds an awful lot like cops and firefighters.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Sounds an awful lot like cops and firefighters.
    I've got a few friends who went the LE/FF route, but I'll admit, I've never asked.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

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    What on earth does education have to do with rucking 30 miles a day and shooting people in the face afterwards?

    There are plenty of jobs out there available to women which require that they use brains, not brawn. The infantry isn't one of them.

    I agree and disagree with that:

    1. Stupid people don't necessarily make the best warriors, even in direct combat
    2. Who should be sent off on heavy pack 30 miles treks into battle zones should be whoever is most capable, and if that is solely men then it's solely men.
    3. Infantry isn't just about 30 mile treks into battle.

    I don't dispute that "strong back" is the foremost consideration in some military combat settings. Nor do I dispute that men have stronger backs. I dispute that your view that is all that infantry and Marines need and do.

    Just like in the private sector, I truly believe the real concern of the military is losing the race for who has the most technologically smartest soldiers. The USA is losing the technology knowledge and skills competition badly with other countries in the private sector - and accordingly may be doing so also in our military sector. Technological skills don't just matter in factories, but even can matter on the battlefield. Making this open to women doubles the pool the military has to compete for technologically inclined and skilled recruits.

    I think the "rape" and "women are distracting" claims are not pointless and begging the issue. The question is do enlisting women, including in combat roles, enhance the military? I say it does. It doubles the pool, plus brings a desirable diversity. Diversity increases wisdom and options.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah. Welcome to debating Joko on this topic (and others).
    For real, what the **** is wrong with this guy? He seriously just said that no jobs in the military are physical anymore, therefore physical standards are just there to try to keep women out.

    Apparently in the 6 years since I've come back from afghanistan all combat has been replaced by robots.

    The funniest part, my wife, a petite school teacher, can pass the male standards for the marine PFT. Then we have joko coming in and saying no woman could ever do that and should never have to.

    I don't know about your experience, but in my unit (173rd Airborne), if you scored anything less than a 270 (300 max, 180 min), you'd be relieved of your leadership position and be a complete dirtbag.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    For real, what the **** is wrong with this guy? He seriously just said that no jobs in the military are physical anymore, therefore physical standards are just there to try to keep women out.

    Apparently in the 6 years since I've come back from afghanistan all combat has been replaced by robots.
    Dude, if you want to laugh until you cry, go read his post about where he gets' his insight from

    The funniest part, my wife, a petite school teacher, can pass the male standards for the marine PFT. Then we have joko coming in and saying no woman could ever do that and should never have to.

    I don't know about your experience, but in my unit (173rd Airborne), if you scored anything less than a 270 (300 max, 180 min), you'd be relieved of your leadership position and be a complete dirtbag.
    Well, in the Marines we have a "real" PFT, so 270 is actually fairly good. But yeah, 250 was pretty much the cut-off. For the older guys, especially, the 3 mile run was just hard to come in at under 22 minutes.

    But I thought you guys had an extended "max" scale?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Dude, if you want to laugh until you cry, go read his post about where he gets' his insight from



    Well, in the Marines we have a "real" PFT, so 270 is actually fairly good. But yeah, 250 was pretty much the cut-off. For the older guys, especially, the 3 mile run was just hard to come in at under 22 minutes.

    But I thought you guys had an extended "max" scale?
    Getting a 270 on the APFT is the minimum in the 173rd (90 pts above the Army minimum). Superstars should be 290+ or 300+. The excuse however that women can't do pullups is ridiculous, as my wife is a pullup beast.

    And I think joko is just trolling now. Nobody can be that ignorant.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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