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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's insane.
    As a 34 year old male this is my standard vs a female the same age.
    These are the minimums for a passing score
    Pushups (male)-36 (female) 15
    Situps (male)-42 (female) 42
    2mile run (male)-17:42 (female) 21:42

    So as you can see a 34 year old male has to do 21 more pushups and run two miles four minutes faster than a female to pass.

    A female meeting the minimum standards for a male would get a score of 240 while the male would only get a 180.

    Thats a considerable difference.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think it is offensive that they claim our soldiers, and specifically Marines, are a bunch of gang-rapists for which women are only safe if they are kept away from women. Maybe when Marines are done with their enlistment they should then be locked up to keep them out of society for women's protection if what they say is true. Of course, it's not.
    Why are all of you pro women in the infantry types taking things to the extreme. No one is saying that there will be large instances of gang rape. What there will be are lots of increased sexual tension and relationships between members of an infantry squad which will lower unit moral and reduce combat effectiveness. That is obvious to a anyone with any common sense who is looking at reality and not how they wish things would be.

    Do you guys honestly thing that there is no value in the opinion of guys who have actually been in the infantry vs guys who have never been in the military. I have seen the problems introducing women to a small group of guys on a deployment. And that is in the SOF world where there is a huge difference between the maturity and disciplinefrom the conventional military.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    TBH the "army standards" aren't particularly difficult...
    But anyways, if being weaker, running slower, etc is prohibitive to getting the job done, and getting it done in a safe manner, then of course the minimum standard must stand REGARDLESS OF GENDER
    Men do what they have to when they want to, Great men do what they have to, even when they don't want to.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    No it is not irrational to expect women to kick ass as well even if they do it differently
    What on earth do the splits have to do with "kicking ass?"

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    A lot of you guys are saying that we should expect everyone in our lower ranks to be able to not become distracted by being around the opposite sex and if they can't than those are not the types of people we want in the military.
    Do you have any idea how many of our high level leadership has gotten in trouble either publicly or in privately for that very same thing. (Petraeus anyone ). It is a fact of life that when you mix men and women some of them are going to get involved. And where there are some people having sex there are others who are unhappy that they are not. Then there are the ones who are upset because they believe either right or wrong that someone in the relationship is getting preferential treatment. And of course where there are relationships there are break ups. It doesn't have to be everyone. It only takes two to mess up the unit.

    If you really don't think that will lead to moral problems and a lack of combat effectivness than you are living in a fantasy land.
    Last edited by braindrain; 11-27-13 at 02:09 AM.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    What on earth do the splits have to do with "kicking ass?"
    They can move their bodies in different ways that are advantageous is the point.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    They can move their bodies in different ways that are advantageous is the point.
    Being a little bit bendier is not an advantage in combat.

    In hand to hand, size and strength pretty much always carry the day. In a shoot out, hand to eye co-ordination, vision, and speed (for sprinting from cover to cover) are the major deciding factors.

    On an extended op, sheer physical stamina, endurance, and resiliency are the major deciding factors in an engagement.

    Women generally lag behind men with regard to just about all of these.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 11-27-13 at 02:22 AM.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    They can move their bodies in different ways that are advantageous is the point.
    What way can they move their body that would be advantageous in a front line combat unit?

    Women have less blood, weaker connective tissue, and lack the body strength-especially upper body strength.

    These are facts-your opinion doesn't matter.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    A lot of you guys are saying that we should expect everyone in our lower ranks to be able to not become distracted by being around the opposite sex and if they can't than those are not the types of people we want in the military.
    Do you have any idea how many of our high level leadership has gotten in trouble either publicly or in privately for that very same thing. (Petraeus anyone ). It is a fact of life that when you mix men and women some of them are going to get involved. And where there are some people having sex there are others who are unhappy that they are not. Then there are the ones who are upset because they believe either right or wrong that someone in the relationship is getting preferential treatment. And of course where there are relationships there are break ups. It doesn't have to be everyone. It only takes two to mess up the unit.

    If you really don't think that will lead to moral problems and a lack of combat effectivness than you are living in a fantasy land.
    How many women get pregnant on an aircraft carrier at sea? Its often several.

    The biggest problem isn't how they are in combat-its the 99% of the day that ISNT combat.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh really? So you're telling me that there are problems with your MALE counterparts as well. Hmm. Interesting.
    Yeah. Specifically that squad took two IED's and a sniper. That tends to be a problem.

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