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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Just because someone thinks that they can do something, doesn't necessarily mean that are actually capable of doing so.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinions on this. I'm simply telling you that everything we know about war and warriors would seem to indicate that gender integrated combat units are not a very good idea.

    Noble intentions are no substitute for practical workability.
    No, people with no self control and no self discipline do not belong in the military. This is nothing but your typical "boy's club" mentality. It's ridiculous, outdated and stupid.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, people with no self control and no self discipline do not belong in the military. This is nothing but your typical "boy's club" mentality. It's ridiculous, outdated and stupid.
    Its amazing that you can see into the minds of everyone else.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, people with no self control and no self discipline do not belong in the military.
    Again, "self-control and self-discipline" aren't really the point of the military. The point is to create an effective fighting force to crush the United States' enemies.

    What you're suggesting here does nothing to further that goal. It creates a lot of needless problems that almost certainly will hamper the effectiveness of our forces in future conflicts.

    This is nothing but your typical "boy's club" mentality. It's ridiculous, outdated and stupid.
    Honestly, not really. War isn't a game.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, "self-control and self-discipline" aren't really the point of the military. The point is to create an effective fighting force to crush the United States' enemies.

    What you're suggesting here does nothing to further that goal. It creates a lot of needless problems that almost certainly will hamper the effectiveness of our forces in future conflicts.



    Honestly, not really. War isn't a game.
    The point of the military is to protect the country, and that should be taken seriously. Anyone who is willing and able-bodied should be able to fight for their country, regardless of a few pervs.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    No, it's facts and truths that don't agree with your social driven agenda causing you to refuse to accept reality.

    Setting aside that in fact "social agenda" most certainly matters as we aren't a society that exists for the military, but the other way around, I suppose it is typical for low-rankers to bitch that the higher ups in the military don't know what they are doing. But, then, there are reasons those such as you were/are low rankers.

    The level of troops the military needs to enlist varies greatly, mostly often due to whether or not the USA is at war. During Vietnam, the 1st war against Iraq and the 2nd, the military ramped up recruitment (and draft for Vietnam) - and lower standards. In other times, such as now, the military has more potential recruits than it needs - particularly when unemployment goes up - so has increased standards.

    ONCE AGAIN, THE MILITARY HAS INCREASED THE STANDARDS FOR ENLISTEES, not the other way around as you lament. The military has increased the standards by what the military most has valued for many decades now.

    Who do they enlist at the higher rank? A state wrestling champion? Or someone with ANY bachelor's degree? In fact, if those two enlist at the same time, the person with the BA will be a superior at higher pay than the more "powerful" wrestling champion. Everyone knows that too, but the reasoning is lost to you it seems. Even "in combat," it will be that college grad that will be ordering the wrestling champ what to do.

    The military increased or decreased minimal requirements for enlistment, based upon need. The standards are adjusted up and down exactly opposite of what YOU claim the military needs.

    At this time the military doesn't need a large number of soldiers, so it has RAISED standards. But the standards they raise and lower are intellectual and educational standards, not pull-up standards. So while you think what made you valuable was physical strength, the military does not - nor has it ever - based it's enlistment standards upon physical strength. It's enlistment standards are based upon level of intelligence and education.

    Sure, having a military selection and promotion practice based upon intelligence and education offends YOU - and you RAGE that those in charge of the military does not agree with your view that what makes a good soldier is small brains and big muscles.

    So rage on that the military should have 20 mile run and pull up contests to decide who runs the military if that makes you feel better about yourself. But there are reasons why guys like you never call the shots in the military. Guys like you were to follow orders of those big-brain officers telling you want to do with your muscles when you're over the wire they sent you over.

    FOR DECADES the military has raised and lowered it standards based upon aptitude and intelligence, not muscle and brawn. And it will continue to do so.

    THUS, since more women pursue higher education than men now do - as many men believe than being on the football team is a job qualifier - the military will more and more seek out women, because more women will be more highly educated than men. The military does not have a shortage of muscle-heads. They need brainy people. Either gender. Even in combat. Excluding women reduces the intelligence of the Marines by 50% - and they won't do it much longer.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The point of the military is to protect the country, and that should be taken seriously. Anyone who is willing and able-bodied should be able to fight for their country, regardless of a few pervs.
    I think it is offensive that they claim our soldiers, and specifically Marines, are a bunch of gang-rapists for which women are only safe if they are kept away from women. Maybe when Marines are done with their enlistment they should then be locked up to keep them out of society for women's protection if what they say is true. Of course, it's not.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, "self-control and self-discipline" aren't really the point of the military. The point is to create an effective fighting force to crush the United States' enemies.

    What you're suggesting here does nothing to further that goal. It creates a lot of needless problems that almost certainly will hamper the effectiveness of our forces in future conflicts.



    Honestly, not really. War isn't a game.
    No, you're wrong. War isn't an arm wrestling contest either. If men want to continue to dominate in the military they better spend less time at the gym and more time cracking the books in school. And declaring they will rape women if in the service to keep women out sure as hell isn't going to work.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You are so contradictory too. Why don't we just give them all porn, then they'll just lose interest in real sex altogether.
    LOL! Hitler distributed blow up sex dolls to his troops.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL! Hitler distributed blow up sex dolls to his troops.
    That's probably not a bad idea given some of the comments on this thread.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The point of the military is to protect the country, and that should be taken seriously. Anyone who is willing and able-bodied should be able to fight for their country, regardless of a few pervs.
    Again, I fail to see how creating needless problems for "political correctness" sake alone is in any way useful here.

    Women can serve in the military now if they so wish. They are simply barred from certain fields because it wouldn't be a good idea for them to be involved there. I haven't seen any evidence to counter-act this claim.

    Frankly, we'll probably have robots doing most of our fighting for us within a few decades' time anyway. There's really no point in throwing women in the mud to die to simply prove some completely asinine feminist political point.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, you're wrong. War isn't an arm wrestling contest either. If men want to continue to dominate in the military they better spend less time at the gym and more time cracking the books in school.
    What on earth does education have to do with rucking 30 miles a day and shooting people in the face afterwards?

    There are plenty of jobs out there available to women which require that they use brains, not brawn. The infantry isn't one of them.

    And declaring they will rape women if in the service to keep women out sure as hell isn't going to work.
    Some men are always going to be inclined to want to rape women. They are scum, and there generally aren't very many of them.

    However, there are enough of them to put any woman exposed to a certain environment at unnecessary risk.

    Frankly, rape by our own soldiers isn't even what I'm worried about here. What about the enemy?

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