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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    I lost track of this thread since I posted the OP and didn't realize it had taken off like it had. As I was catching up, I've noticed one common theme. The many that haven't served that are participating in this thread continue to tell the few who have why male/female units SHOULD work while being given the reasons why it DOESN'T work. I won't go into any detail about why it doesn't work because that has been discussed ad nauseam. But the fact of the matter is, it doesn't work. You can say "You should train them better" all you want. They are 18-22 year old males. 18-22 year old males whether Marines, soldiers, college kids, whatever, are sex crazed. That's all there is to it. You add the stress of combat, separation from the opposite sex, etc and it's a formula for disaster. Now, I know that reason won't hold up. None of you think it's legit. That's fine. But the physical limitations of females in general cannot be ignored and that is the purpose of this thread. All of the other crap will be swept under the "you should discipline them better" by the people that don't have to do the disciplining.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is retarded. None of what I said is comparable to any of this garbage.
    How so? You can train sexual urge out of someone correct?
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    How so? You can train sexual urge out of someone correct?
    Where did I say that? I said that there is no reason why these men cannot CONTROL their urges.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well obviously you weren't paying attention because that wasn't my argument at all. I acknowledged the fact that the women should be able to pass the same physical fitness tests as the men, and if that is the case then there should not be a problem with it, but then we have people trying to say that the male soldiers cannot control themselves around these female soldiers. Give me a break. That's a crappy excuse for a weak nature.
    Men are weak in certain regards. They always have been.

    The simple fact of the matter is that there's no real reason to force them to be "strong" simply because it's more "politically correct," when what we've been doing so far seems to work just fine.

    We don't need our soldiers to be perfect "gentlemen." We need them to kill people. Everything else is simply a distraction.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Where did I say that? I said that there is no reason why these men cannot CONTROL their urges.
    Im just being the devil's advocate here. You assert that we, as a military, should be able to train the urges out of men towards women. If that were true, then homosexuals should be able to control their urges and basically not be gay.
    I'm attempting to prove a point here. The point being that you can't train a sexual urge out of a human being. It doesn't matter what sort of punishments we administer. Just take a look at sexual assault numbers. Punishments and awareness have spiked. Yet, the percentages continue to climb.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Certainly I'm realistic enough to realize that a woman such as myself who is basically tiny with little upper body strength (compared to most men) would ever be able to make a career out of being in the military, a police officer, a firefighter, etc. But I also realize that there are women out there who are NOT like me at all and who would be completely capable of performing such jobs.
    I acknowledge that. I've known a couple of women who probably could hack it if given a chance.

    However, that's not really the issue. The issue is whether or not we should risk screwing up the established system for everyone just so a handful of women can do a certain job, which no one really needs them to do in the first place.

    The military has a rather clear role. "Equal opportunity social engineering" really isn't it.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Im just being the devil's advocate here. You assert that we, as a military, should be able to train the urges out of men towards women. If that were true, then homosexuals should be able to control their urges and basically not be gay.
    I'm attempting to prove a point here. The point being that you can't train a sexual urge out of a human being. It doesn't matter what sort of punishments we administer. Just take a look at sexual assault numbers. Punishments and awareness have spiked. Yet, the percentages continue to climb.
    Again, I never asserted any such thing. Try reading.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I acknowledge that. I've known a couple of women who probably could hack it if given a chance.

    However, that's not really the issue. The issue is whether or not we should risk screwing up the established system for everyone just so a handful of women can do a certain job, which no one really needs them to do in the first place.

    The military has a rather clear role. "Equal opportunity social engineering" really isn't it.
    Too bad. Women are going to be treated as equals, like it or not.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Again, I never asserted any such thing. Try reading.
    Did you not assert that we, as service members, should be able to suppress and control our sexual urges?
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Did you not assert that we, as service members, should be able to suppress and control our sexual urges?
    Do you think you should have sex with your coworkers? Can you "suppress" your urges while in a professional environment? What the hell is wrong with you guys anyway?

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