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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It should not happen. Obviously these "boys" are not very well trained if they cannot control their urges.
    So, by that train of thought, could it not also be said that we can "train" gays to not be gay? If it's so easy to control an urge and just train it out of them. Why don't more anti-homosexuals propose that? Why don't you? You seem to think it's possible with this statement.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

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    and then there are the people who have no idea what they are talking about, but don't let that stop them from trying to look smarter than everyone else.
    You know, I was reading back through this thread because I didn't realize it has caught fire like it had. I saw that absolutely STUPID comment, almost replied, then thought "You know what, I saw that CP was in this thread. Bet he took care of that." lol
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, maybe those 18-22 year olds need to be taught some professionalism. Either that or maybe they are just TOO young and immature to be in the military at all?
    The nature of the job is killing people, not "professionalism." That's really all there is to it.

    Anything which allows you to kill people in a quicker, and more efficient, manner while taking fewer casualties in return is good. Anything which makes that job more complicated than it needs to be is bad.

    I'm sorry, but I simply don't see how throwing women into front line combat really accomplishes much of anything other than making matters "more complicated" in this regard.

    Don't get me wrong. Women are fine in service, support, and admin roles. In some fields, they are even preferable to men.

    However, when it comes to pure blood lust, aggression, and physical drive, men are pretty much always going to have an edge. There is really no way around this fact.

    There is a reason why every single war to be fought over the course of the last 10,000 years has been fought by men (and primarily young, hyper-aggressive, men, at that) rather than women. They're simply better suited for the job.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

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    The nature of the job is killing people, not "professionalism." That's really all there is to it.

    Anything which allows you to kill people in a quicker, and more efficient, manner while taking fewer casualties in return is good. Anything which makes that job more complicated than it needs to be is bad.

    I'm sorry, but I simply don't see how throwing women into front line combat really accomplishes much of anything other than making matters "more complicated" in this regard.

    Don't get me wrong. Women are fine in service, support, and admin roles. In some fields, they are even preferable to men.

    However, when it comes to pure blood lust, aggression, and physical drive, men are pretty much always going to have an edge. There is really no way around this fact.

    There is a reason why every single war to be fought over the course of the last 10,000 years has been fought by men (and primarily young, hyper-aggressive, men, at that) rather than women. They're simply better suited for the job.


    That depends upon the person. There are plenty of men who cannot handle fighting in wars and plenty of women who can.

    Nope, not true. There were plenty of female warriors throughout history. Maybe you should educate yourself.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So, by that train of thought, could it not also be said that we can "train" gays to not be gay? If it's so easy to control an urge and just train it out of them. Why don't more anti-homosexuals propose that? Why don't you? You seem to think it's possible with this statement.
    That is retarded. None of what I said is comparable to any of this garbage.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually you can't. A unit has to take a certain percentage of casualties before the military can justify breaking up and reducing other units to replace its' lost membership. The squad will just run on less combat power, and pray harder that they don't get into a firefight with someone who now outnumbers them.

    We had a squad (13 dudes) get reduced at one point to three. We didn't get combat replacements, we just folded them into other squads who had lost one or two. Now we're down an entire rifle squad; which effectively means a platoon is down to limited ops, which effectively means that the company is going to have to run the other three platoons hard with no break. And we got nobody.
    Oh really? So you're telling me that there are problems with your MALE counterparts as well. Hmm. Interesting.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

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    That depends upon the person. There are plenty of men who cannot handle fighting in wars and plenty of women who can.
    We are talking about averages here, not exceptions. The simple fact of the matter here is that A) men generally tend to be better suited for the physical and mental strain of combat than women, and B) men tend to fight better in the company of other men, rather than in mixed gender groups.

    Excuse me triteness here, but "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

    Nope, not true. There were plenty of female warriors throughout history. Maybe you should educate yourself.

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    First off, the vast majority of these women were generals or political rulers, not frontline warriors. I never said that I had a problem with that.

    Secondly, in every instance where actual "female armies" were involved, they were basically horribly slaughtered in the long run.

    Women have a hard time keeping up with men even in the era of rifles and bombs. In the era of hand to hand combat, they would have been an at extreme disadvantage to the average male soldier.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    We are talking about averages here, not exceptions. The simple fact of the matter here is that A) men generally tend to be better suited for the physical and mental strain of combat than women, and B) men tend to fight better in the company of other men, rather than in mixed gender groups.
    Well obviously you weren't paying attention because that wasn't my argument at all. I acknowledged the fact that the women should be able to pass the same physical fitness tests as the men, and if that is the case then there should not be a problem with it, but then we have people trying to say that the male soldiers cannot control themselves around these female soldiers. Give me a break. That's a crappy excuse for a weak nature.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Certainly I'm realistic enough to realize that a woman such as myself who is basically tiny with little upper body strength (compared to most men) would ever be able to make a career out of being in the military, a police officer, a firefighter, etc. But I also realize that there are women out there who are NOT like me at all and who would be completely capable of performing such jobs.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    My local police department has one standard for men and women. Women rarely ever pass, but they do pass.
    Why should the military be any different.


    I'm of the mind that women should not be in combat arms. Not because they can't handle it, but because so few can it doesn't warrant changing the entire system. If we get to a point where woman can pass the same standards at even a close % as men I'm all for reconsidering.

    Should we build a female dorm for an Infantry Company with one female? Should we build female latrines for an Infantry unit with one female? To me it just isn't cost effective.

    You know there are probably 50+ year old men that are tough enough to make it in the Infantry School but that doesn't men the military is going to raise the entry cut off to 50+.

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