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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The only way what you say makes sense is if ALL the women went on leave for pregnancy at the same time
    No. What I am saying is true if even one female leaves or gets out of deployment for pregnancy.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Give me a break. It's not like they can't get a replacement. Pregnancy is a temporary situation and not always avoidable, especially if you're a married person.
    Combat is a team sport, Chris. You train, deploy, and fight as a team. Throwing someone new in as a combat replacement still reduces your combat efficiency..

    Pregnancy is 100% avoidable in the infantry. You just don't have women.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Who said that? besides you?
    Nobody. It's telling that they have to fall back on strawmen.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Didn't see this coming Female Marines have received ample time (over a year) to prepare for this test which, oh by the way, still isn't to the same standard that it is for males. Sure, they have to get the same bare minimum of 3 that males get. However, their max is 8 whereas mine is 20. So, on a maximum 300 point physical fitness test (PFT) where each of the 3 events (pull ups, crunches, 3 mile run) has the potential to give you 100 points, a female Marine only has to do 40% of the work I have to in order to get 100 points for her pull ups on her PFT. I call bogus. That enables her to be as competitive for promotion as me without having to do the work that I do. Not to mention that she can run her 3 miles in 21 minutes to receive 100 points for that while I have to run it in 18 minutes. If you've ever run a 5K, 3 minutes is an eternity between two runners.

    Some of you will say "Well, that score is only part of what is looked at when considering promotion." I will submit this to you. Every promotion board for E-6, E-7, and E-8/E-9 (this board is conducted jointly) in the Marine Corps has an after action review written for it. In every one of those after action reviews, the board members are asked "What is the first tie breaker between two Marines if there is one spot left in their MOS field to promote?" The answer is ALWAYS "Their PFT score".

    Now, some on this site will say that I am butt hurt because 3 females passed our infantry course. That is mentioned in the article. Not the case. When I know that 16 females began the course and only 3 passed, I'm not worried. Of the 16, 9 failed due to performance reasons. That leaves 7. Of those 7, 4 broke due to hip and knee problems. Those are the classic female breaking points that I've seen in most female injuries. Those occur very frequently at Parris Island as well. So, we have the 3 left. Now, for males, approximately 79% make it through infantry training. 10% of them are dropped for medical reasons. That leaves approximately 11% for performance/legal issues. For those of you who are Marines, it's the classic, always spoken of, 10% that fail. Also of note, the females were required to carry each other during casualty evacuation, movement courses, etc. So, a female weighing 110lbs-140lbs is carrying around her equivalent weight while the males are slinging whichever casualty they see over their shoulder. Again, I call bogus. I'm not a big fan of this social engineering crap. DADT was another issue. I wasn't a supporter of that. It wasn't performance based. A gay guy can fireman's carry a casualty just as effectively (though the casualty may be uncomfortable) as a straight guy. But the vast majority of females cannot do the same. This is a performance thing for me. It is a logistical thing. It is a morale thing. Our military is the best in the world yet we want to mess with the very core of its competence. The members of it. I'm not a big fan.

    Corps Delays Pull-Up Requirements for Female Marines | TIME.com

    Females will always get special treatment in the Marine Corps.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Please, that's the insinuation that you and others have made. That women are too "distracting" or that the men can't control themselves. It's retarded.
    One is not the other. No one said that men completely lose their minds (well, relatively) around women - we argue that women are distracting, that introducing sexual tension into the combat units will ruin the bonding and team cohesion that is necessary for them to do their jobs well. Do not exaggerate what we are saying in order to try to justify dismissing it - those of us who have the experience to say that this would put lives in danger at least have earned the right that you take them seriously.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Females will always get special treatment in the Marine Corps.

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    that man has the sharpest eye for the Marine Corps that I've ever seen in a media outlet.

    And he's absolutely on point with this. it's just part of the whole older-male-younger-woman dynamic.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Give me a break. It's not like they can't get a replacement.
    Actually you can't. A unit has to take a certain percentage of casualties before the military can justify breaking up and reducing other units to replace its' lost membership. The squad will just run on less combat power, and pray harder that they don't get into a firefight with someone who now outnumbers them.

    We had a squad (13 dudes) get reduced at one point to three. We didn't get combat replacements, we just folded them into other squads who had lost one or two. Now we're down an entire rifle squad; which effectively means a platoon is down to limited ops, which effectively means that the company is going to have to run the other three platoons hard with no break. And we got nobody.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Holy ****ing ****. Are you serious right now? Show me one time where I said "no woman could do what I did as a grunt!" You realize we're talking about women joining combat arms right?

    Basically, you stuck your dick out and made a bunch of highly misinformed statements about physical fitness being irrelevant in modern combat, and I corrected you. You claimed there were no examples where lack of physical fitness could get anyone killed, so I gave you one. Tell me why women should not be held to the same physical standards as men.

    Secondly, it was a 15 month deployment, so I have no idea what you're talking about with "weeks", nor do I have any idea what you mean about me flying an F-35B. If that was the job I was shooting for, I would make sure I met the ****ing standards, and didn't try to get in by doing far less than my colleagues.

    It is highly unpleasant talking to you, especially when you go off on such random ****ing tangents after I corrected you. I've stated from the beginning that women should have to meet the same standards as men for the same job. That is equality. If you'd like to explain to me why they should get a free pass, please do.
    Yeah. Welcome to debating Joko on this topic (and others).

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    The very fact that you would type this complete nonsense is 100% proof that you have no idea whatsoever on how the military works. I don't know if you just made this up or you really believe this big of a bs story that someone told you but either way the fact that you believe it should be proof to anyone who reads it that you are clueless about the military and nothing you say should be looked at as coming from a place of knowledge.

    I was going to go through the whole thing and point out the utter nonsense one by one but it is just so far out there I don't even know where to start
    Yeah. I'll admit, I'm torn whether he made the whole thing up, or whether someone saw a fool and proceeded to spin one of the funniest whopper tale I've heard as of yet. whattya wanna bet the guy was a Water Dog?


    Joko - I've told you before (in detail) how and why that story that you tell is complete and utter crap - and that anyone who had any experience whatsoever would instantly recognize it as such; why do you continue to repeat it?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - performance overall is the only reason I've opposed let ins with altered standards.

    They should set overall ability standards, and anyone who meets those standards can engage - and those who can't, don't. Gender wouldn't matter. It would result in less women qualifying, but at least they're not qualifying based on their own abilities (or lack of) - thus putting it on the individual and not on engineered social standards.

    Though I'm not quite sure why you're citing injury stats - if one is injured certainly you don't want them in. It seemed, for a moment, that you were arguing the opposite: that the standards were too harsh for both men and women. (though by the end it was clear you weren't)
    Injury stats were due to the fact that women's legs, especially their hips, are not made for rucking, etc. I saw quite a few females when I was a Drill Instructor on Parris Island be told they would never walk without pain again due to the hip injuries they had. Males get injured as well, don't get me wrong. It's just not as concentrated in one area of the body as with women.
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