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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    The important thing is that male members must remember that female members are PEOPLE and human beings, just like they are, and to treat them as a team mate and a colleague instead of a sexual interest just because she happens to be female.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    It may be a "poor excuse" but to deny it won't happen and with very adverse effects to a small unit will not erase the problems. Military planning is supposed to be based on logic not ideal social placement.
    Logic and social placement are not diametric opposites. The purpose of the military is to protect society, not have society subservient to the military. If the military has practices or policies contrary to best social interests, the practice or policy must be changed. FEW soldiers will ever be in combat - and as wars become more technology based even less so. But 100% become members of civilian society - and bring with them the attitudes ground into them during their formative young adult years in the military.

    There is a saying of "once a Marine, always a Marine." So what about the 30, 40, 50, 60 years after they are an active Marine?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why is a pregnancy such a big problem, just give her maternity leave and then have her come back, like any other job. It's no different than if a male member gets ill or suffers an injury or something. Why would court martials be necessary? It's not a permanent condition.
    This idea removes any and all doubt that you don't have a clue as to what it is like in an infantry or tank platoon. And the importance of each soldier to be present for duty if at all possible.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    This idea removes any and all doubt that you don't have a clue as to what it is like in an infantry or tank platoon. And the importance of each soldier to be present for duty if at all possible.
    What would they do if one of their male members got an illness?

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    And it ****ing begins!!!!!!!!!

    The next step is to have flower girls sprinkling flower petals on the beach during amphib exercises.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Blah....blah....blah...."the days of bigots, sexists and homophobes are past"? What a crop of BS. The affirmative action programs are programs demanding government sponsored bigotry, sexism and preferred sexual orientation. None of them made our military better.
    All of them require lowering or eliminating the physical, mental and/or constitutional standards to meet preferred government mandated discrimination.

    Just how will a woman by virtue of gender make an infantry platoon better? That's right, he can't.
    Just how will a gay man by virtue of sexual orientation make a tank platoon better? That's right, he can't.
    Just how will an unqualified minority by virtue of race make an artillery battery better? That's right, he can't.

    Yet each branch has minimum physical and mental standards to be met to be accepted in them. Unless government lowers the standards or ignores the constitutional rights of others.

    You are just another of the type that cares not for the lives of American soldiers but for the acceptance of the BS political correct crowd.

    Just how will a man by virtue of gender make an infantry platoon better? That's right, she can't.
    Just how will a heterosexual man by virtue of sexual orientation make a tank platoon better? That's right, he can't.
    Just how will an unqualified white man by virtue of race make an artillery battery better? That's right, he can't.

    In short, your message is nothing.

    You like to interchange physical and mental standards, when they are not the same at all. The topic is physical strength ability - and you think you can just slide in "mental standards" along with it. The educational standards and testing of the military had substantially increased and continues to do so - for all branches of service.

    No one can enlist without a high school degree anymore. No branch of service. To enlist in the Air Force in ANY capacity a person must test in the top 50% intellectually and in acquired knowledge or that person can not get it.

    My daughter is trying to enlist in the Air Force - but there are physical issues that might block it. At this time they are doing everything within military allowances to get her past those. Why? She's not an athlete. She can't do many pullups or pushups. But her academic credentials go off the chart in knowledge, diversity and initiative, plus leadership qualities. So they want her, a lot. The obstacle being prior foot surgery that may disqualify her.

    THAT is who the MODERN military needs. There is never a shortage of strong back low intelligent grunts - which is the military you foolishly urge for.

    Physical strength and geekness tend to be opposite personalities. The military has no shortage high school football players who want to enlist - many, many more times than they need now. But the military has a big shortage of Meza chess club presidents wanting to enlist. The military will royally award enlistees with college - in initial rank and pay.

    If a body builder with barely a high school degree wants to enlist, they will yawn that the person has to pass an aptitude test - and if passes might be allowed to enlist at the absolute bottom level. If someone with a college degree and academic acalaides beyond that? They jump over that enlistment desk - promising joining as an E4 or higher, significantly higher pay and are all over that person to SIGN UP NOW!!!

    Your views of the military are dangerous dinosaur views that have lead to the defeat of large armies certain they can't lose to much smaller armies that are smarter. It's probably been 2000 years since which side's soldiers can do more pushups has determined the outcome of a battle. What you want is to maintain an increasingly outdated and incapable military, and it appears smarter minds are prevailing.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The important thing is that male members must remember that female members are PEOPLE and human beings, just like they are, and to treat them as a team mate and a colleague instead of a sexual interest just because she happens to be female.
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, there are only male and female Marines. There are no people, human beings, girls, boys, or any other pansy-ass ****.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Today's world requires a smarter military than it did in the past. Wars are not fought the same way that they were in the 1940's and 50's. Getting rid of the lower intelligence in the military absolutely strengthens our military.
    Then why do you support programs that do just the opposite? By law.
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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The important thing is that male members must remember that female members are PEOPLE and human beings, just like they are, and to treat them as a team mate and a colleague instead of a sexual interest just because she happens to be female.

    Hmmm, Marine and human being in the same sentence.. without a superlative.

    Male or Female, Marines generally live among those in the SUPER HUMAN catagory of earthly existance. The Corps will find the correct solution. Observe, Adapt, and Overcome.

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    Re: Marine Corp Delays Pull-Up Requirement for Female Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    This idea removes any and all doubt that you don't have a clue as to what it is like in an infantry or tank platoon. And the importance of each soldier to be present for duty if at all possible.
    And you don't have any clue that the American military consists of more than infantry and tank platoons.

    One direction the military is headed is obvious - technology. But the other is assassination (they call it otherwise).

    Technology isn't gender specific contrary to your view of things. And there are missions where women could get in where men could not. How many decades was it before our military FINALLY recognized that the enemies were using their women to kill our soldiers? - Our troops conditioned to only see men as warriors?

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