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Senate approves nuclear option

And numerous conservatives were all ready to end the filibuster in 2005.

Why the flip? Because the Republicans have abused a procedural rule that was formerly used in a limited fashion.

When circumstances change, so do the reasons for our decisions.

"limited fashon" ????

LOL...

You may as well claim that ONLY PROGRESSIVES have the right to filibuster...

There are no "limitations" on filibustering. There are no "limits" and any member of congress can filibuster any time they want..
 
"limited fashon" ????

LOL...

You may as well claim that ONLY PROGRESSIVES have the right to filibuster...

There are no "limitations" on filibustering. There are no "limits" and any member of congress can filibuster any time they want..

Actually, no. You should probably do just a little research before you open your mouth.



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"limited fashon" ????

LOL...

You may as well claim that ONLY PROGRESSIVES have the right to filibuster...

There are no "limitations" on filibustering. There are no "limits" and any member of congress can filibuster any time they want..

Not anymore.
 
Rather, because people in power seek to expand and solidify their power. Reid was right defending filibuster as a form of checks and balances, and he is wrong doing away with it now that his party is in charge.
Who first coined the phrase and threatened to use the "nuclear option"?
 
Who first coined the phrase and threatened to use the "nuclear option"?

Senator Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) first suggested using a ruling of the chair to defeat a filibuster of judicial nominees in February 2003. The code word for the plan was "Hulk". Weeks later Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) coined the term nuclear option because the maneuver was seen as a last resort with possibly major consequences for both sides.

link...
 
Rather, because people in power seek to expand and solidify their power. Reid was right defending filibuster as a form of checks and balances, and he is wrong doing away with it now that his party is in charge.

With the level partisan behavior that exists now... I've absolutely no doubt that the repubs would've have pressed the nuclear option button when they got back in power anyways so the dems had nothing to lose by doing it now.
 
Typical progressive anti-democracy games...... When you cant plug the judicial system with your progressive socialist/communist judges - just change the rules/system so you can....

This present administration and Senate is the most disgusting, vile and fascist group of idiot tyrants I have ever seen in my day or even read about in United States history books...... These progressives are disgusting with their attempted recalls, quorums and lawsuits....

All these pathetic losers want is the courts to be padded with progressive communist sympathizing judges so they can file a lawsuit every time a law is passed that goes against their agenda - prop 8 is a perfect example - which ultimately allows them to circumvent democracy via ONE JUDGES RULING...

This is called authoritarianism..... If you don't like a law that has been passed run to a judge that will deem in "unconstitutional" on nothing more than political ideology/affiliation.
The Republicans brought it upon themselves, they are the authoritarians

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No, I know how our government works thank you!

If you did, you wouldn't say that. There are 435 members of Congress who are never allowed to filibuster. Care to guess who they are?
 
The Republicans brought it upon themselves, they are the authoritarians

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No republicans are NOT the authoritarians - they're not FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO - PROGRESSIVES ARE!

I will say that some RINO's have crazy ideas that can be quite authoritarian, however our government and our congress and our judicial system is not INFESTED with RINO's - our entire system of government (Legislative, Judicial and Executive
) is INFESTED with PROGRESSIVE AUTHORITARIAN (IN SOME CASES TOTALITARIAN) SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS/MARXISTS....

Your first one was just elected in Seattle!!
 
Governors pretty much work together regardless of party. As to the president, it depends whether he tries to reach across the aisle or not....
My point is that gerrymandering districts -- which is undoubtedly a bad thing -- is not what is increasing the polarization. Districts have been gerrymandered for decades. There has always been a fair amount of partisanship. The difference now is that the Republicans have decided to undermine government, instead of participate.

As such, it is highly unlikely that any Democratic President could have successfully bridged the divide.


Eisenhower had LBJ, then senate majority leader over to the White House to discuss how to achieve his agenda at least 3 times a week.
I seriously doubt that Boehner and McConnell would even remotely consider doing that. Nor do I think it was Obama's fault that McConnell vowed to make Obama a one-term President in late 2010, or that conservative commentators were making similar statements before Obama took office.


The way I seen it the game between the house and senate, tabling the bills and the filibusters were in a way tit for tat. Blame only one party if you must, but I will not do that.
You should. Again, two highly respected non-partisan analysts have put together a very compelling case in this regard.


with a 55-45 majority any nomination is guaranteed now.
Around 86% of Bush 43's nominees were approved. It is rare for any nominees to be voted down, even with the filibuster in place.


Voting means nothing, the president can nominate a Hitler or Stalin, a Marx or even a Pol Pot, there is no way to stop him.
Incorrect. Democratic Senators are not in thrall to the President; if someone bad is nominated, they can still be voted down.


Sure, a traditionalist from IKE on. Play that as you may.
Okay, here's how I will play it: Ike didn't have to get a supermajority on every piece of legislature or nominee.


Tabling 50-100 bills from the house without so much as a debate or vote, most without even being assigned to a committee, that is not obstructionism?
Nope. How many of those were to repeal Obamacare again? ;)


Sounds like your obstruction only works one way.
First, I have already noted how the Democrats did block some nominees in the Bush 43 years -- but nowhere near the level we see with Obama:

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Second, the obstructionism in question is how Republicans have tried to shoot down almost everything for the past 5 years. They've held the entire government hostage, over and over again, every time a Democrat holds the Presidency. Their mission is to shrink -- aka destroy -- most functions of the government.

In comparison, many of Bush's signature efforts were done with Democratic support -- e.g. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq; the Bush Tax Cuts; Medicare Part D; TARP. There was some opposition (e.g. to privatizing Social Security) but nowhere near what we see with Obama.
 
Statements like this are how we know you are not a libertarian.

Yeah right - libertarians view progressives as Nazi's..... Progressives are nothing more than Fascist freaks to us... You live to destroy the Bill of Rights.....

RINO's are just as bad but they're a dying breed...

Real republicans are getting their party back from the fat cat tyrannical RINO's who pay just as much attention to the Constitution and Bill of Rights as progressives do...

That simple...
 
The Democrats used the filibuster when appointments were unreasonable... republicons under McConnell have abused the filibuster using it for EVERY appointment and in doing so, they have themselves become unreasonable.

Nonsense. Both sides used filibusters to prevent the other side from installing their people in key positions, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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And conservatives are rapists. It's a hobby....

Conservatives are rapist?...... Please elaborate on that...

Funny how 95% of criminals in prison are democrats/progressives - many of those rapist sicko's use progressive "open sexuality" logic to justify their rape and molestation crimes.
 
Who first coined the phrase and threatened to use the "nuclear option"?

If memory serves right, Trent Lott (R-Miss), in 2002 or so. Supporting my point.
 
If memory serves right, Trent Lott (R-Miss), in 2002 or so. Supporting my point.

Yeah lets get into history..

And who first introduced the first Civil Rights Act (which was overwhelmingly shot down by democrats)?
 
Nonsense. Both sides used filibusters to prevent the other side from installing their people in key positions, nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah I think the phrase "you don't have a pot to piss in" was coined via filibuster.
 
No republicans are NOT the authoritarians - they're not FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO - PROGRESSIVES ARE!

I will say that some RINO's have crazy ideas that can be quite authoritarian, however our government and our congress and our judicial system is not INFESTED with RINO's - our entire system of government (Legislative, Judicial and Executive
) is INFESTED with PROGRESSIVE AUTHORITARIAN (IN SOME CASES TOTALITARIAN) SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS/MARXISTS....

Your first one was just elected in Seattle!!

Bernie Sanders is an independent Democatic Socialist. He's been in the senate since 2007. Before that he was in the House since 1991.

As was already said... You should probably do just a little research before you open your mouth. You should also consider not throwing around words you don't know the meaning of.
 
With the level partisan behavior that exists now... I've absolutely no doubt that the repubs would've have pressed the nuclear option button when they got back in power anyways so the dems had nothing to lose by doing it now.

I also have only flimsy doubts (the libertarian constitutionalists would object, but they are still a small minority in the GOP). Still, Democrats are going into history books as the party that just have demolished yet another (if a fairly minor) limitation to the power of the Executive.
 
And you're obviously proud of that - just like progressives are proud of late term abortions (murder)...

yeah that made a lot of sense.
 
My point is that gerrymandering districts -- which is undoubtedly a bad thing -- is not what is increasing the polarization. Districts have been gerrymandered for decades. There has always been a fair amount of partisanship. The difference now is that the Republicans have decided to undermine government, instead of participate.

As such, it is highly unlikely that any Democratic President could have successfully bridged the divide.



I seriously doubt that Boehner and McConnell would even remotely consider doing that. Nor do I think it was Obama's fault that McConnell vowed to make Obama a one-term President in late 2010, or that conservative commentators were making similar statements before Obama took office.



You should. Again, two highly respected non-partisan analysts have put together a very compelling case in this regard.



Around 86% of Bush 43's nominees were approved. It is rare for any nominees to be voted down, even with the filibuster in place.



Incorrect. Democratic Senators are not in thrall to the President; if someone bad is nominated, they can still be voted down.



Okay, here's how I will play it: Ike didn't have to get a supermajority on every piece of legislature or nominee.



Nope. How many of those were to repeal Obamacare again? ;)



First, I have already noted how the Democrats did block some nominees in the Bush 43 years -- but nowhere near the level we see with Obama:

congressionalnomineesgraphs1.png


Second, the obstructionism in question is how Republicans have tried to shoot down almost everything for the past 5 years. They've held the entire government hostage, over and over again, every time a Democrat holds the Presidency. Their mission is to shrink -- aka destroy -- most functions of the government.

In comparison, many of Bush's signature efforts were done with Democratic support -- e.g. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq; the Bush Tax Cuts; Medicare Part D; TARP. There was some opposition (e.g. to privatizing Social Security) but nowhere near what we see with Obama.

McConnell no, he and Reid are two peas in a pod when it comes to party loyalty. Boehner, perhaps. I do remember what was accomplished in the lameduck session in December of 2010. My hopes was the president would take a page out of Bill Clinton’s book. He didn’t.

As for your Democratic Senators and nominees, most are lockstep with a couple of exception, Manchin comes to mind, perhaps a couple of others from red states like Tester, Heidekamp might also. But the northeast, west coast, and a few Island states around the great lakes wouldn’t question them

The republicans only controlled congress his first two years, his last six he had Democratic Majorities in both chambers. He had to have democratic votes just to get something passed. He couldn’t do a thing in his last six years without some democrats agreeing to go along and vote for whatever he proposed.

I haven’t the slightest clue on how many were to kill Obamacare. Perhaps 10 maybe, I also do not know how many total bills were tabled. But I do know it was a bunch. I didn’t particularly care for Bush the second. In fact I think Bush the second and Obama has govern pretty much similarly. But one needs to take off their deeply partisian dark red or blue colored glasses to see that, they also need ear plugs to shut out all the rhetoric which is polar opposite, but governing wise, not that much difference.
 
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