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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    The earliest known use of something like the filibuster being used in a legislative body goes back to ancient Rome 60 BC.
    This is not an American invention.
    The senate like the house once had a simple majority rule to cut off debate on the floor. This rule was mistakenly removed in an attempt to streamline the procedural rules and the potential for the filibuster came into being in 1805.
    When McConnell chose to abuse this loophole in procedural rules by filibustering EVERY nomination the President made, he brought on this change that occurred today. Appointments will now proceed as was intended and approval will only require a simple majority...like the used to do ...like the house.
    This is not the end of the world as some have depicted .
    It is a return to some semblance of democracy where presidential appointments are concerned..
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    You are the one who must be facetious... ONE Democratic filibuster as opposed to how many republicon filibusters?
    Oh, there were plenty on both sides. Republicans certainly struck back, but the growth of the filibuster of Presidential appointees during the Bush administration leaves them in the retaliatory seat. If you want to trace it back to its' roots, then that would be the disastrous Senate proceedings surrounding the nomination of Judge Bork to the Supreme Court. Democrats struck first. Republicans get their sticks in when they can and when they think it is appropriate.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Just as Bohner unilaterally changed the voting rules to perpetuate the shut down.
    BTW this rule change ONLY applies to approval of appointment nominees.
    All other filibuster abilities remain completely in tact.
    Legislative and budget concerns will not be effected in any way.
    The political karma will be that the senate will remain Democratic because of McConnell's abuse of power.
    The country as a whole hate the Teabagger party.
    Sorry but it won't happen. You do realize that by changing the rule as to one thing and leaving it in place as to others will 1) not be in place for anything when the GOP gains control and 2) means the moderate republicans in the Senate will be on board with shutting the government down in march by refusing to break a filibuster.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Are you aware that Sen.Graham has vowed everyone of the Presidential nominations?
    No I am not. What did he vow to them?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Are you theorizing what may come or basking in foreseeable glory? Either way you've highlighted what's wrong with Congress today - too much revenge politics and not enough governance.
    "Screw you, we won" is a two way street.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Republicans get their sticks in when they can and when they think it is appropriate.
    On EVERY nomination?
    No that is not simple retaliation ...
    ...that is abuse.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    One of the fundamental differences in a Republic and a Democracy is the ability of a Minority Vote to have a voice. Eliminating a filibuster moves us towards a Mob Rule.

    People are bitching that this is a Dem Power Grab... I assure you that when the GOP is back in majority, they will never consider the repeal of this rule.
    As a dreamer of dreams and a travellin' man, I have chalked up many a mile.
    Read dozens of books about heroes and crooks and I've learned much from both of their styles!

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    "Screw you, we won" is a two way street.



    True, but sometimes the Senate needs to get something done.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Levin realizes this move may very well come back to bite them in the butt in the near future.
    Wouldn't surprise me if the three Democrats were instructed to vote against the motion so that once all the Obama nominations have been cleared, one of the three can move reconsideration of the motion and rescind it going back to the 60 vote threshold before they lose the Senate in 2014.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sorry but it won't happen. You do realize that by changing the rule as to one thing and leaving it in place as to others will 1) not be in place for anything when the GOP gains control and 2) means the moderate republicans in the Senate will be on board with shutting the government down in march by refusing to break a filibuster.
    Republicons regaining control of the senate?
    Ha ...you can't gerrymander a state.
    Republicons sealed their doom with the last shutdown.

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