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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    For example, what legislation have the democrats allowed on the floor that Republicans support, who have proposed over 2000 bills? Here is what the Senate has considered this year.

    Hurricane Sandy Funding
    Violence Against Women Act
    Raising the Debt Limit
    Sequester Replacement
    Continuing Funding Resolution
    Budget
    Gun Control
    Internet Sales Tax
    Infrastructure Spending
    Farm Bill
    Student Loan Interest Rate
    Immigration Reform
    HUD funding

    Nothing in there is Republican priorities, even though they represent 31 states and 100 million citizens, theoretically.
    But that has nothing to do with the use of the filibuster and everything to do with the Senate Majority Leader not taking up bills approved in the House and sent to the Senate. Once those bills come to the floor, Republicans can decent all they want.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

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    But that has nothing to do with the use of the filibuster and everything to do with the Senate Majority Leader not taking up bills approved in the House and sent to the Senate. Once those bills come to the floor, Republicans can decent all they want.
    I think I'll save this one, and see how you feel about it next year, when demos are the minority again.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think I'll save this one, and see how you feel about it next year, when demos are the minority again.
    The point I was making is it doesn't matter which party is in the majority in either chamber of Congress. The majority always sets the agenda and it rarely contains bills that the minority favors. Since this nation's founding, those in descent have always had to compromise with those in the ascent. That's how our Congress works - or use to anyway. Now, it's play party politics every chance you get or stonewall at every turn. The same thing will happen when one day Republicans are once again in full control of the House, Senate, Presidency and the Supreme Court. And that's when the plutocrats will run rough-shot over the entire nation. You may as well bring back the monarchy. Wait a minute...we're already damn near there!
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The point I was making is it doesn't matter which party is in the majority in either chamber of Congress. The majority always sets the agenda and it rarely contains bills that the minority favors. Since this nation's founding, those in descent have always had to compromise with those in the ascent. That's how our Congress works - or use to anyway. Now, it's play party politics every chance you get or stonewall at every turn.
    Well, let me ask, if you and I needed to negotiate over something, and I went around telling everyone that you were an obstinate prick, and that everything was all your fault, then came to you and said 'come on let's sit down and hammer this out', I am pretty sure your reply would be for me to 'go 'f' myself'....Right?

    The same thing will happen when one day Republicans are once again in full control of the House, Senate, Presidency and the Supreme Court. And that's when the plutocrats will run rough-shot over the entire nation. You may as well bring back the monarchy.
    I am not sure about that...I don't recall a republican president that approached the opposition quite like Obama does..

    Wait a minute...we're already damn near there!
    Well, you're right about that, but I think we are not thinking for the same reasons....
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, let me ask, if you and I needed to negotiate over something, and I went around telling everyone that you were an obstinate prick, and that everything was all your fault, then came to you and said 'come on let's sit down and hammer this out', I am pretty sure your reply would be for me to 'go 'f' myself'....Right?
    No, not at all. Yes, I'd go into such negotiations with a high dose of skepticism and I'd likely still think you were being a jerk about things (), but as long as you were willing to work towards resolving the matter to both of our mutual satisfaction, I'd be okay with that.

    I am not sure about that...I don't recall a republican president that approached the opposition quite like Obama does...
    Come now, the Republican leadership made up their minds do to everything in their power not to work with Pres. Obama even before TARP was signed and it was a bill crafted under a Republican president! Sen. McConnell made it clear that his role to make Obama a one-term president. So, try as you may to point the blame at the President, Republicans have far more to do with the dysfunction in Wash, DC than Democrats, IMO.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Now the Republicans have an excuse to get rid of the filibuster once they take over the Senate.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Now the Republicans have an excuse to get rid of the filibuster once they take over the Senate.
    How about republicans show that they are above such petty revenge politics and take the high ground.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How about republicans show that they are above such petty revenge politics and take the high ground.
    why should we expect that?
    first, it is the republican party. it will be self serving ... just like the demo party
    second, pandora's box has now been opened. the bell cannot be unrung and the toothpaste cannot be put back into the tube. upon achieving majority status, why would the republicans have reason to make fulfilling their agenda more difficult
    but when this happens, that loud scream you hear will be the congressional members of the democratic party screaming at the injustice. chuckle now in anticipation of that moment. it will happen, for the democrat party has traded long term stability for short term convenience
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No, not at all. Yes, I'd go into such negotiations with a high dose of skepticism and I'd likely still think you were being a jerk about things (), but as long as you were willing to work towards resolving the matter to both of our mutual satisfaction, I'd be okay with that.
    I don't believe that for one second...It is just too easy to say that, but when actually faced with the scenario it's another story.

    Come now, the Republican leadership made up their minds do to everything in their power not to work with Pres. Obama even before TARP was signed and it was a bill crafted under a Republican president!
    And if you are debating honestly, you'd also say that not many, if any conservatives believed in TARP at all.

    Sen. McConnell made it clear that his role to make Obama a one-term president.
    Oh, and you think that the minority leader should what? Work for the DNC? Tell me, did Reid endorse Romney? Or lie about him to undermine his campaign on the Senate floor?

    So, try as you may to point the blame at the President, Republicans have far more to do with the dysfunction in Wash, DC than Democrats, IMO.
    Of course....The narrative is such that unless Republican's put forth legislation that demo's can use, or say things that demo's approve of, then it is always their fault...You won't "Objectively" look at the vile things done, and said by demo's against repubs in these times....But I bet you will sure scream once repubs are in charge.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How about republicans show that they are above such petty revenge politics and take the high ground.
    Isn't that just like a liberal....You want to justify using the nuclear option, but then denounce it if Republican's follow your lead....Good grief...

    Ah well, I guess we should expect it....It is however, what repubs have led you to expect....Take boinking interns for example....Foley get's caught, and resigns to the angered calls from demo's, and repubs alike, however, Gary Studds get's caught, and not only doesn't stand down, but get's a promotion, and a standing O on the floor by demo's.
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