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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Indeed, "liberals" (as we call social democrats in America, in our bizarre fashion) are ideologically predisposed to the "fatal conceit", as Hayek called it. But it is hard not to notice that massive expansions of government power happened just as happily when "conservatives" were in charge. After all, the only Senator who voted against the Patriot Act in 2001 was a liberal - Russ Feingold. And out of the 66 who said Nay in the House, only 3 were Republicans: Ron Paul, Butch Otter (now Governor of Idaho), and Bob Ney of Ohio.
    Conservatives are not the same as Republicans. I cannot recall a time in my lifetime when Conservatives have been in charge of the House with the exception of N. Gingrich) or the Senate. We have had a few establishment Republicans in charge from time to time. Establishment Republicans are statists just like the Democrats. They will increase government's reach and power as long as they get to run it.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Because Democrats, majority in Senate, were holding up President's nominees, of course.
    ...And why was the "nuclear option" not used at that time??
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 11-25-13 at 04:07 AM.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Conservatives are not the same as Republicans. I cannot recall a time in my lifetime when Conservatives have been in charge of the House with the exception of N. Gingrich) or the Senate. We have had a few establishment Republicans in charge from time to time. Establishment Republicans are statists just like the Democrats. They will increase government's reach and power as long as they get to run it.

    This is a systemic problem that can only be solved by winning the Article V fight in the State Legislatures.
    Ah, the "conservatism cannot fail, it can only BE failed" argument.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    ...And why was the "nuclear option" not used at that time??
    Because the GOP Senators, after venting their frustrations, realized that one day Dems will be in majority, the "nuclear option" will come back to chew on their tender behinds - or maybe because they were a remarkable collection of great statesmen. Make your pick.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    ...And why was the "nuclear option" not used at that time?
    At the time, the Democrats were obstructing a number of Bush's judicial appointments. The Republicans threatened to eliminate the filibuster. After some back and forth, a bipartisan group of 14 Senators made a deal to allow a bunch of up-or-down votes, and reserve filibusters for "extraordinary circumstances."

    The difference today is that not only have Republicans dramatically increased the number of filibusters on appointments, they also reneged on a deal from January to allow a bunch of up-or-down votes.

    In fact, there was a move in early 2011 to get rid of filibusters, but Harry Reid shot it down.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Because the GOP Senators, after venting their frustrations, realized that one day Dems will be in majority....
    It was a bipartisan group that pushed against eliminating filibusters in 2005. Look up the "Gang of 14."

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ah, the "conservatism cannot fail, it can only BE failed" argument.
    Constitutional conservatism is not for the faint hearted. If one cares little for the people's right to be free or if one defines freedom in terms of what the state will give them, the constitutional conservatism will seem to be too little.

    There are many who post here who give it lip service or less.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    It was a bipartisan group that pushed against eliminating filibusters in 2005. Look up the "Gang of 14."
    Rather, negotiated a compromise. But the fact is: Republicans had numbers to push through the nuclear option back then, and in the end they did not. Democrats did, and only three of them (Carl Levin, Joe Manchin, and Mark Pryor) voted against. Levin made a nice little speech about why this is an extremely bad idea: Carl Levin - United States Senator for Michigan: Newsroom - Press Releases

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    This little stunt to pack the DC appellate is going to backfire on demo's.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, you can keep throwing out this lie but it doesn't make it true. The increase in "filibuster" cloture votes (there have been no actual filibusters during Obama's presidency) is ONLY because of Harry Reid's insane habit of calling for a cloture vote on everything. This isn't up for debate, Reid called 90% of his cloture votes when the votes would not have resulted in a filibuster. He called cloture votes at nearly 3 times the average with an actually serious threat of filibuster happening at a lower rate than any prior senate.
    Sure...because Unanimous Consent to debate isn't possible. I'm not sure how you come to a conclusion that a Senate minority party that has actually filibustered as many appointments than almost every Senate minority in the history of the filibuster is playing along and allowing Unanimous Consent.


    Let's talk numbers for the ignorant left. Let's compare the current Senate (113th) which is the worst year for Obama nominees with a 81% cloture success to the 108th Senate under Republican.
    There is a pretty large difference between a Presidents last year in office an right after he was re-elected. That's called cherry picking my friend.
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