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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Are you theorizing what may come or basking in foreseeable glory? Either way you've highlighted what's wrong with Congress today - too much revenge politics and not enough governance.
    I'm laughing at to the lack of foresight the progressives have. This, literally, just sealed their fate for the next two election cycles. Knee-jerk reactions are their specialty. I was counting on them to screw up, but I never thought it would be this bad. This is going to be an epic trainwreck, even by this administrations standards.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Nothing in the quote from Wiki relates to what I wrote.
    The U.S. Constitution made provisions for each House to adopt their own rules, however I seriously doubt they anticipated the cloture vote requirement.
    It was your tie vote comment I was referring to. Has nothing to do with the filibuster and it's origins. A filibuster comes before the floor vote is considered. Filibuster keeps something from going to a up/down floor vote (where the VP would have a tie breaker vote).

    The filibuster is widely viewed as one of the Senate’s most characteristic procedural features.
    Filibustering includes any use of dilatory or obstructive tactics to block a measure by preventing
    it from coming to a vote. The possibility of filibusters exists because Senate rules place few limits
    on Senators’ rights and opportunities in the legislative process.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The GOP in the Senate will make him eat this. Good bye any budget compromise in the spring; goodbye immigration reform; goodbye democratic control of the senate. Harry Reid just turned Obama into a lame duck 2 years early and empowered the Tea Party by a magnitude of 10. Political karma just loves dirty tricks.
    You can possibly add, "goodbye unanimous consent" to that list as well.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Harry Reid finally comes through

    The Senate has voted to change its rules so that a simple majority is required to confirm judicial nominations and executive branch picks — the so-called “nuclear option.”
    The final vote was 52-48. The previous threshold was 60 votes to bring such nominations to a final up-or-down vote.
    “The threshold for cloture on nominations not including the Supreme Court, is now a majority,” Sen Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), the Senate president pro temp, declared after the vote.
    Three Democrats voted with Republicans against the change: Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.). Levin is a longtime senator; Manchin and Pryor come from red states.
    Shortly after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office sent around a memo noting that the Senate has changed its procedures using a majority vote 18 times since 1977. Republicans, though, note that none of the changes rise to the level of today’s change.

    Senate approves nuclear option
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because the GOP was being super cooperative before, right?
    Not really. Here's a blast from the past.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Nothing in the quote from Wiki relates to what I wrote.
    The U.S. Constitution made provisions for each House to adopt their own rules, however I seriously doubt they anticipated the cloture vote requirement.
    Agreed. The damn thing is about as anti-American as it gets in Congress. Even then I would not mind the filibuster in proper Mr. Smith/HJames Stewart fashion instead of most of the pansy sissy nonsense that passes for it today.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Either the Dems believe that they will have the majority way into the future, or they are showing us how short-sighted politicians can be when time is measured using only a "when's the next election" yardstick. Both parties are guilty of this flaw in their thinking, BTW, so it must be a common malady affecting those in politics.
    I'm trying to remember how John Adams put it when he said something akin "We are a nation of laws, not of men." In other words when are laws and rules are changed to suit the man, we are no longer that nation of laws. This nuclear option change was made to suit the whims of the man that rules over us, not the man ruling over us that follows the rules and the laws. So the bottom line we are fast becoming a nation of men, not a nation of rules and laws.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Gee you think it would have been a smart thing to appoint someone to be our UN Ambassador who is against the UN as a body? The genius of GW Bush is never to be overlooked....
    Actually it's called "counterstaffing", and it's a smart tactic used by executives who do not want their key subordinates to become subject to bureaucratic capture. The willingness of liberals not to allow their lack of education to stop them from from attempting to deride the intelligence of President Bush is indeed never to be overlooked.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    As if! The GOP have literally done NOTHING legislatively since President Obama has been elected especially during his 2nd term. This is GREAT because finally the Senate can get some work done. The GOP strategy to block EVERYTHING will backfire far more than the change to the filibuster rule. It's so much fun watching the GOP beat each other up day after day after day...

    All anyone has to do if you want to be objective is look at the amount of filibusters since Obama became President versus the rest of American history to know how the GOP have abused the rule and now, finally, there's an end to their destroy Obama at all costs tactic - at least for nominations. They will, of course, continue to oppose any legislation from the Democrats even if the majority of House members would pass the bill if put up for a vote, i.e. ENDA, Immigration Reform etc.
    Out of curiosity, if the GOP "has done nothing" then why does Obama keep calling them "obstructionists"?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I'm trying to remember how John Adams put it when he said something akin "We are a nation of laws, not of men." In other words when are laws and rules are changed to suit the man, we are no longer that nation of laws. This nuclear option change was made to suit the whims of the man that rules over us, not the man ruling over us that follows the rules and the laws. So the bottom line we are fast becoming a nation of men, not a nation of rules and laws.
    Show me where the filibuster was written into the US Constitution. It isn't. In fact, the filibuster was not used for several years after the founding of our nation. It was instituted by a vote on the rules in the Senate. Now the Constitution DOES have something to say about that....
    Quote Originally Posted by US Constitution Article I, sec 5
    Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
    Nothing unconstitutional or illegal was done today.
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