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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Nonsense. Both sides used filibusters to prevent the other side from installing their people in key positions, nothing more, nothing less.
    Yeah I think the phrase "you don't have a pot to piss in" was coined via filibuster.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No republicans are NOT the authoritarians - they're not FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO - PROGRESSIVES ARE!

    I will say that some RINO's have crazy ideas that can be quite authoritarian, however our government and our congress and our judicial system is not INFESTED with RINO's - our entire system of government (Legislative, Judicial and Executive
    ) is INFESTED with PROGRESSIVE AUTHORITARIAN (IN SOME CASES TOTALITARIAN) SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS/MARXISTS....

    Your first one was just elected in Seattle!!
    Bernie Sanders is an independent Democatic Socialist. He's been in the senate since 2007. Before that he was in the House since 1991.

    As was already said... You should probably do just a little research before you open your mouth. You should also consider not throwing around words you don't know the meaning of.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    With the level partisan behavior that exists now... I've absolutely no doubt that the repubs would've have pressed the nuclear option button when they got back in power anyways so the dems had nothing to lose by doing it now.
    I also have only flimsy doubts (the libertarian constitutionalists would object, but they are still a small minority in the GOP). Still, Democrats are going into history books as the party that just have demolished yet another (if a fairly minor) limitation to the power of the Executive.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And you're obviously proud of that - just like progressives are proud of late term abortions (murder)...
    yeah that made a lot of sense.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    My point is that gerrymandering districts -- which is undoubtedly a bad thing -- is not what is increasing the polarization. Districts have been gerrymandered for decades. There has always been a fair amount of partisanship. The difference now is that the Republicans have decided to undermine government, instead of participate.

    As such, it is highly unlikely that any Democratic President could have successfully bridged the divide.



    I seriously doubt that Boehner and McConnell would even remotely consider doing that. Nor do I think it was Obama's fault that McConnell vowed to make Obama a one-term President in late 2010, or that conservative commentators were making similar statements before Obama took office.



    You should. Again, two highly respected non-partisan analysts have put together a very compelling case in this regard.



    Around 86% of Bush 43's nominees were approved. It is rare for any nominees to be voted down, even with the filibuster in place.



    Incorrect. Democratic Senators are not in thrall to the President; if someone bad is nominated, they can still be voted down.



    Okay, here's how I will play it: Ike didn't have to get a supermajority on every piece of legislature or nominee.



    Nope. How many of those were to repeal Obamacare again?



    First, I have already noted how the Democrats did block some nominees in the Bush 43 years -- but nowhere near the level we see with Obama:



    Second, the obstructionism in question is how Republicans have tried to shoot down almost everything for the past 5 years. They've held the entire government hostage, over and over again, every time a Democrat holds the Presidency. Their mission is to shrink -- aka destroy -- most functions of the government.

    In comparison, many of Bush's signature efforts were done with Democratic support -- e.g. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq; the Bush Tax Cuts; Medicare Part D; TARP. There was some opposition (e.g. to privatizing Social Security) but nowhere near what we see with Obama.
    McConnell no, he and Reid are two peas in a pod when it comes to party loyalty. Boehner, perhaps. I do remember what was accomplished in the lameduck session in December of 2010. My hopes was the president would take a page out of Bill Clinton’s book. He didn’t.

    As for your Democratic Senators and nominees, most are lockstep with a couple of exception, Manchin comes to mind, perhaps a couple of others from red states like Tester, Heidekamp might also. But the northeast, west coast, and a few Island states around the great lakes wouldn’t question them

    The republicans only controlled congress his first two years, his last six he had Democratic Majorities in both chambers. He had to have democratic votes just to get something passed. He couldn’t do a thing in his last six years without some democrats agreeing to go along and vote for whatever he proposed.

    I haven’t the slightest clue on how many were to kill Obamacare. Perhaps 10 maybe, I also do not know how many total bills were tabled. But I do know it was a bunch. I didn’t particularly care for Bush the second. In fact I think Bush the second and Obama has govern pretty much similarly. But one needs to take off their deeply partisian dark red or blue colored glasses to see that, they also need ear plugs to shut out all the rhetoric which is polar opposite, but governing wise, not that much difference.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I also have only flimsy doubts (the libertarian constitutionalists would object, but they are still a small minority in the GOP). Still, Democrats are going into history books as the party that just have demolished yet another (if a fairly minor) limitation to the power of the Executive.
    The filibuster has little bearing on the executive. The Veep being the tie-breaking vote is a fairly rare thing.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The filibuster has little bearing on the executive. The Veep being the tie-breaking vote is a fairly rare thing.
    Ahm, we are talking about filibustering nominations by the Executive, remember?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The problem is the hard right and the hard left pick the candidates they want those of us in the middle to choose from.
    Really? So Dole, McCain and Romney were all "hard right"?

    They were only somewhat to the right of the leftists on the other side.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Ahm, we are talking about filibustering nominations by the Executive, remember?
    You're right. Gotcha.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I also have only flimsy doubts (the libertarian constitutionalists would object, but they are still a small minority in the GOP). Still, Democrats are going into history books as the party that just have demolished yet another (if a fairly minor) limitation to the power of the Executive.
    : If taking a series of baby steps towards a goal hides ultimate intent under the radar, it's usually done that way. Few become alarmed, because "it really doesn't amount to much," and it's only when the public becomes aware that things just aren't the way they used to be, and they've lost another freedom, that the clamor begins. Of course, at that point, it's too late to change or undo what has been done...or so we're told. Sad..

    Greetings, Cyrylek.

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