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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The Republicans brought it upon themselves, they are the authoritarians

    No republicans are NOT the authoritarians - they're not FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO - PROGRESSIVES ARE!

    I will say that some RINO's have crazy ideas that can be quite authoritarian, however our government and our congress and our judicial system is not INFESTED with RINO's - our entire system of government (Legislative, Judicial and Executive
    ) is INFESTED with PROGRESSIVE AUTHORITARIAN (IN SOME CASES TOTALITARIAN) SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS/MARXISTS....

    Your first one was just elected in Seattle!!

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No republicans are NOT the authoritarians
    Statements like this are how we know you are not a libertarian.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Not anymore.
    And you're obviously proud of that - just like progressives are proud of late term abortions (murder)...

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Governors pretty much work together regardless of party. As to the president, it depends whether he tries to reach across the aisle or not....
    My point is that gerrymandering districts -- which is undoubtedly a bad thing -- is not what is increasing the polarization. Districts have been gerrymandered for decades. There has always been a fair amount of partisanship. The difference now is that the Republicans have decided to undermine government, instead of participate.

    As such, it is highly unlikely that any Democratic President could have successfully bridged the divide.


    Eisenhower had LBJ, then senate majority leader over to the White House to discuss how to achieve his agenda at least 3 times a week.
    I seriously doubt that Boehner and McConnell would even remotely consider doing that. Nor do I think it was Obama's fault that McConnell vowed to make Obama a one-term President in late 2010, or that conservative commentators were making similar statements before Obama took office.


    The way I seen it the game between the house and senate, tabling the bills and the filibusters were in a way tit for tat. Blame only one party if you must, but I will not do that.
    You should. Again, two highly respected non-partisan analysts have put together a very compelling case in this regard.


    with a 55-45 majority any nomination is guaranteed now.
    Around 86% of Bush 43's nominees were approved. It is rare for any nominees to be voted down, even with the filibuster in place.


    Voting means nothing, the president can nominate a Hitler or Stalin, a Marx or even a Pol Pot, there is no way to stop him.
    Incorrect. Democratic Senators are not in thrall to the President; if someone bad is nominated, they can still be voted down.


    Sure, a traditionalist from IKE on. Play that as you may.
    Okay, here's how I will play it: Ike didn't have to get a supermajority on every piece of legislature or nominee.


    Tabling 50-100 bills from the house without so much as a debate or vote, most without even being assigned to a committee, that is not obstructionism?
    Nope. How many of those were to repeal Obamacare again?


    Sounds like your obstruction only works one way.
    First, I have already noted how the Democrats did block some nominees in the Bush 43 years -- but nowhere near the level we see with Obama:



    Second, the obstructionism in question is how Republicans have tried to shoot down almost everything for the past 5 years. They've held the entire government hostage, over and over again, every time a Democrat holds the Presidency. Their mission is to shrink -- aka destroy -- most functions of the government.

    In comparison, many of Bush's signature efforts were done with Democratic support -- e.g. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq; the Bush Tax Cuts; Medicare Part D; TARP. There was some opposition (e.g. to privatizing Social Security) but nowhere near what we see with Obama.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And you're obviously proud of that - just like progressives are proud of late term abortions (murder)...
    And conservatives are rapists. It's a hobby....


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Statements like this are how we know you are not a libertarian.
    Yeah right - libertarians view progressives as Nazi's..... Progressives are nothing more than Fascist freaks to us... You live to destroy the Bill of Rights.....

    RINO's are just as bad but they're a dying breed...

    Real republicans are getting their party back from the fat cat tyrannical RINO's who pay just as much attention to the Constitution and Bill of Rights as progressives do...

    That simple...

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The Democrats used the filibuster when appointments were unreasonable... republicons under McConnell have abused the filibuster using it for EVERY appointment and in doing so, they have themselves become unreasonable.
    Nonsense. Both sides used filibusters to prevent the other side from installing their people in key positions, nothing more, nothing less.
    Last edited by Cyrylek; 11-23-13 at 09:19 PM.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And conservatives are rapists. It's a hobby....
    Conservatives are rapist?...... Please elaborate on that...

    Funny how 95% of criminals in prison are democrats/progressives - many of those rapist sicko's use progressive "open sexuality" logic to justify their rape and molestation crimes.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Who first coined the phrase and threatened to use the "nuclear option"?
    If memory serves right, Trent Lott (R-Miss), in 2002 or so. Supporting my point.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    If memory serves right, Trent Lott (R-Miss), in 2002 or so. Supporting my point.
    Yeah lets get into history..

    And who first introduced the first Civil Rights Act (which was overwhelmingly shot down by democrats)?

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