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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yeah ole Harry came through for ya!




    This move will surely allow the lefties to pack the courts but I don't think you realize the implications it has in store for you in the future. For if the Senate on a partisan vote change the rules to avoid filibusters on judges, the next majority can use the same tactics in repealing Obamacare, passing a Balanced Budget Amendment and anything else they want to put out there. If the House maintains their majority which looks likely, and Republicans take the majority in the Senate which currently looks very possible as does a Republican president, it may well be the very thing that will allow Congress to undo the damage that the left has done to this country. They could reign in the Department of Education, Department of Energy, and other agencies like the EPA which keeps pumping out feckless numbers of new regulations killing jobs, violating property rights and raising heating costs for many Americans by 46%.

    You want to change the rules? Well two can play that way and when the Republicans are done cleaning up the mess the left has created, they can then restore the rule of law.
    No, I don't like changing the rules, despite what I wrote in the OP, I think he filibuster is very important. I am positive Harry Reid feels the same way, but unfortunately the Republicans left him with no choice.



    Sure I know what the Republicans could do given the right circumstance, but that would mean eliminating the filibuster altogether. That's not going to happen, I think the Republicans has more sense than that.


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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    One of the fundamental differences in a Republic and a Democracy is the ability of a Minority Vote to have a voice. Eliminating a filibuster moves us towards a Mob Rule.

    People are bitching that this is a Dem Power Grab... I assure you that when the GOP is back in majority, they will never consider the repeal of this rule.
    In your mind - is there a difference between MOB RULE and MAJORITY RULE?
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is possible, but I doubt it. The tooth paste is out of the tube and there is no putting it back. If anything it will be expanded and at sometime in the future the whole filibuster thing will be wiped out and done away with. The senate has just completed their transformation from being a body intended to represent the states to just another House of Representatives, a body of the people who just represent their political parties and not really the people. I wonder how much longer the electoral college will stand, we are moving pretty quickly to becoming more of a direct democracy instead of a republic. Where 50% plus one will rule and have total say over the 50% minus one.
    Yes, exactly what the framers did not want. But we have our new framers, Obama, Reid, and the rest of them. Obama declared a short while ago that he is "remaking the courts". Isn't that great? Since when is it the president's job to remake the courts? And from what to what? A body that is supposed to obey the Constitution to one that ignores it and grants broad power to the executive branch?

    These are scary times for this country, and I can't remember anytime before when a president tried to circumvent the Constitution and grab power as much as this guy. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and he's trying to destroy it. And he has the Senate helping, as evidenced by what Reid just did.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yes, exactly what the framers did not want. But we have our new framers, Obama, Reid, and the rest of them. Obama declared a short while ago that he is "remaking the courts". Isn't that great? Since when is it the president's job to remake the courts? And from what to what? A body that is supposed to obey the Constitution to one that ignores it and grants broad power to the executive branch?

    These are scary times for this country, and I can't remember anytime before when a president tried to circumvent the Constitution and grab power as much as this guy. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and he's trying to destroy it. And he has the Senate helping, as evidenced by what Reid just did.
    Sorry, hiding behind the Constitution on this one is beyond a stretch. There is nothing constitutional about the filibuster.

    If the Cons wanted the filibuster, we would still have it. They really don't want it; they wanted the Dems to do the dirty work to get rid of it

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Sorry, hiding behind the Constitution on this one is beyond a stretch. There is nothing constitutional about the filibuster.

    If the Cons wanted the filibuster, we would still have it. They really don't want it; they wanted the Dems to do the dirty work to get rid of it
    That's an interesting theory. But where do you get the idea that filibustering is unconstitutional?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post

    if the Republicans get a majority in the Senate, will you push them to restore the filibuster rules?
    After they clean up the messes the Democrats have made.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is possible, but I doubt it. The tooth paste is out of the tube and there is no putting it back. If anything it will be expanded and at sometime in the future the whole filibuster thing will be wiped out and done away with. The senate has just completed their transformation from being a body intended to represent the states to just another House of Representatives, a body of the people who just represent their political parties and not really the people. I wonder how much longer the electoral college will stand, we are moving pretty quickly to becoming more of a direct democracy instead of a republic. Where 50% plus one will rule and have total say over the 50% minus one.
    Hardly, given that 1/4 of the US population is represented by 62 US Senators (mostly Red States, BTW) and 3/4 of the US population is represented by 38 Senators....

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...advantage.html

    Given the small state super-majority, the Senate is hardly a House of Representatives.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's an interesting theory. But where do you get the idea that filibustering is unconstitutional?
    I did not say the filibuster was unconstitutional. It is a-Constitutional (neither affirmed nor denied in the Constitutional). I was responding to a suggestion that the so-called "nuclear option" was an affront the the Constitution. Getting rid of the filibuster is not a constitutional issue; it is a Senate rule of order. Dumping the filibuster may be in bad form amongst senators, but it is not, as the previous poster suggested, an affront to the Constitution.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    [QUOTE=upsideguy;1062580507]I did not say the filibuster was unconstitutional.QUOTE]

    Indeed you did, and only four posts ago: "Sorry, hiding behind the Constitution on this one is beyond a stretch. There is nothing constitutional about the filibuster."

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah they can replace department heads. But there should be a requirement that they have some background in that position.
    The President can use whatever criteria he or she wants. The Senate, in turn, can use whatever criteria they believe is appropriate.


    I didn't see it that way.....as if they are classified as bi-polar, or have dementia, and or ALS.
    These are three very different diseases, with different effects. If you have depression, it is sometimes treatable. ALS is a terrible disease, but it affects motor function, not cognition. District courts are already trying to step up to determine which judges are becoming incapacitated from dementia.


    I would think that would remove quite a bit of those liberal and progressive judges from the bench. Especially all those Bi-polar and ADD ones.
    Uhm... Not all older judges are liberal/progressive, and not all judges with dementia are liberal/progressive. That's patently absurd.

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