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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    cheerleading for the Kenyan dude

    Ok you just demonstrated your own ignorance... no need for me to comment any further on you.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The framers didn't anticipate filibuster and didn't really institute the filibuster. The 1830s was when filibuster was actually born. Modern filibuster in no way resembles the filibuster of the 1830s. The senate has the constitutional grant to make, alter and do away with these rules.

    As to holding off all Obama appointments, that's a good thing considering his track record. Name one good appointment he's made (that have made office). Appointments are a moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips and deserve careful examination.
    Of course the framers didn't anticipate the filibuster, as evidence they said in the case of a tie vote the President of the Senate (the V.P.) could break the tie.


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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Nobody but partisans are going to care. 95% of voters won't even know what this means.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Harry Reid finally comes through

    The Senate has voted to change its rules so that a simple majority is required to confirm judicial nominations and executive branch picks — the so-called “nuclear option.”
    The final vote was 52-48. The previous threshold was 60 votes to bring such nominations to a final up-or-down vote.
    “The threshold for cloture on nominations not including the Supreme Court, is now a majority,” Sen Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), the Senate president pro temp, declared after the vote.
    Three Democrats voted with Republicans against the change: Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.). Levin is a longtime senator; Manchin and Pryor come from red states.
    Shortly after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office sent around a memo noting that the Senate has changed its procedures using a majority vote 18 times since 1977. Republicans, though, note that none of the changes rise to the level of today’s change.

    Senate approves nuclear option
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course the framers didn't anticipate the filibuster, as evidence they said in the case of a tie vote the President of the Senate (the V.P.) could break the tie.
    Not really, here ya go:

    In 1789, the first U.S. Senate adopted rules allowing the Senate "to move the previous question", ending debate and proceeding to a vote. Aaron Burr argued that the motion regarding the previous question was redundant, had only been exercised once in the preceding four years, and should be eliminated.[2] In 1806, the Senate agreed, recodifying its rules, and thus the potential for a filibuster sprang into being.[2] Because the Senate created no alternative mechanism for terminating debate, the filibuster became an option for delay and blocking of floor votes.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Nobody but partisans are going to care. 95% of voters won't even know what this means.
    And isn't that just the greatest shame of them all?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Harry Reid changed the procedural rules of the Senate unilaterally to be able to hold the vote to change the filibusterer rule. The GOP in the Senate will make him eat this. Good bye any budget compromise in the spring; goodbye immigration reform; goodbye democratic control of the senate. Harry Reid just turned Obama into a lame duck 2 years early and empowered the Tea Party by a magnitude of 10. Political karma just loves dirty tricks.
    Are you theorizing what may come or basking in foreseeable glory? Either way you've highlighted what's wrong with Congress today - too much revenge politics and not enough governance.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not really, here ya go:
    Nothing in the quote from Wiki relates to what I wrote.
    The U.S. Constitution made provisions for each House to adopt their own rules, however I seriously doubt they anticipated the cloture vote requirement.


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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I get what you're saying but it could go either way. Most folks who oppose this rule change do so along party/ideological lines. Moreover, they're expecting some payback should the GOP regain control of the Senate in the near future. The mindset being "Republicans will use a simple majority vote to push through nominees of their own". Well, what's to say they (or either party) wouldn't use a simple majority to still block a presidential nominee from the opposing party? It could work both ways.

    Frankly, I think this rule change in the Senate is long overdue. Too much gridlock for no other reason than to carry forward with party/ideological grandstanding.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    If they think the house was gridlocked before hahaha, oh wait till they see what's next. This is going to be comical. Can one of the free states please just secede already so we can get this show on the road? The foreplay is getting boring.

    What they don't realize, is this works BOTH ways. I suppose that means the judicial branch will be just another wing of the executive now (not that it hasn't been flush with Ideologues already).

    Gotta love that system of checks and balances So, progressives, please explain to me what happens when there's another Bush in office, or worse, a Bushbama hybrid hellbent on a complete police state....
    That's the one thing I've noticed about progressives...lack of any foresight. I swear they sniff glue in the capital building bathrooms. Good luck to us all, this will have long term implications we can't even comprehend. Washington is populated by functional window lickers. Knee-jerk emotional responses with little thought into it. Typical.

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