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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I don't think it delusional to think the base of the party would be in favor of restoring the rules, can't speak for the rest of them. But what the Republican party could do right now is everything that Reid brings up for a vote is use the filibuster rules still in place for all other legislation, to make the left work real hard to pass anymore legislation. It may force ole Harry to invoke another nuclear option or force Obama to reach for his pen quite frequently to sign another Executive Order bypassing Congress altogether. Both tactics showing abuse of powers.

    Wasn't it Lindsey Graham that vowed to filibuster any Obama nominee until the White House was willing to release all the documents pertaining to Benghazi? Looks like ole Harry snuffed out Graham's candle.
    I don't think there is a need to filibuster much legislation in the senate. Speaker Boehner can just do what Senator Reid has done with most legislation coming from the house since the Republicans took over, just table it and never bring it up for a vote. Talk about a lot of DOA legislative action going on.

    Yep, Graham is now snuffed out. Now no one will know if there was really a there there or not. Let the conspiracy theories abound. I am not a big Benghazi theorist on there being a there there, but until one of the survivors gives a TV interview or something, the possibility will always exist in the back of my mind. I know how the government likes to hide things from the American Public having taken part in some. Somethings they don't care if even the other know about it, just as long as Americans don't and congress is included in that at times.

    I have to admit the D.C. court of appeals will now be very friendly to the president and his agenda, 7-4 it will be democrat appointees vs. republican ones and the new labor board will be very pro union and anti business. But that is life.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I see it as nothing more than the Democrats rubber stamping all of Obama's nominees. And their biggest focus is on packing a crucial circuit court that often serves as a stepping stone toward the Supreme Court.
    Well.....maybe the next Republican President can remove any appointed by Obama, that's what I would do. Using that Obama tactic and his quote......I have lost confidence in them and their abilities.

    This is another reason why Judges should be elected.....and there should be no lifetime appointments. Moreover......life should be made difficult for any of them over 65. Wherein they should be psychologically evaluated every 3 years. check out those mental faculties, memory, and their medical.

    Any holding a bipolar classification. Should be removed immediately from that Seat and from Holding Such a Title.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, if the dems lose the Senate, they'll probably change the rule back before they go, then scream the republicans are destroying the senate if they do the same!
    It is possible, but I doubt it. The tooth paste is out of the tube and there is no putting it back. If anything it will be expanded and at sometime in the future the whole filibuster thing will be wiped out and done away with. The senate has just completed their transformation from being a body intended to represent the states to just another House of Representatives, a body of the people who just represent their political parties and not really the people. I wonder how much longer the electoral college will stand, we are moving pretty quickly to becoming more of a direct democracy instead of a republic. Where 50% plus one will rule and have total say over the 50% minus one.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....maybe the next Republican President can remove any appointed by Obama, that's what I would do. Using that Obama tactic and his quote......I have lost confidence in them and their abilities.

    This is another reason why Judges should be elected.....and there should be no lifetime appointments. Moreover......life should be made difficult for any of them over 65. Wherein they should be psychologically evaluated every 3 years. check out those mental faculties, memory, and their medical.

    Any holding a bipolar classification. Should be removed immediately from that Seat and from Holding Such a Title.
    Congress does have the power to impeach federally appointed judges!. Don't quote me but I believe it is in Article III. I never understood why they haven't hauled in some on the bench of the 9th Circus by now for their many questionable interpretations of the law and legislating from the bench!

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is possible, but I doubt it. The tooth paste is out of the tube and there is no putting it back. If anything it will be expanded and at sometime in the future the whole filibuster thing will be wiped out and done away with. The senate has just completed their transformation from being a body intended to represent the states to just another House of Representatives, a body of the people who just represent their political parties and not really the people. I wonder how much longer the electoral college will stand, we are moving pretty quickly to becoming more of a direct democracy instead of a republic. Where 50% plus one will rule and have total say over the 50% minus one.
    The toothpaste can be put back into the tube with a syringe. It isn't too late to restore things. It just takes We the People willing to send those to Washington that will take on the task.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The toothpaste can be put back into the tube with a syringe. It isn't too late to restore things. It just takes We the People willing to send those to Washington that will take on the task.
    But we the people are not willing to do that. Hence we get the government we deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    But we the people are not willing to do that. Hence we get the government we deserve.
    Stop sounding like a defeatist and get busy changing minds!

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Congress does have the power to impeach federally appointed judges!. Don't quote me but I believe it is in Article III. I never understood why they haven't hauled in some on the bench of the 9th Circus by now for their many questionable interpretations of the law and legislating from the bench!
    Oh, I am all for that and not just that Court. Any Judges.....and all that believe in the fanaticism of the Man Made LAW.

    Since they like to stand on law.....then let the law stand on them. Moreover......if caught into anything nefarious. Then sufferage must be greater than they over whom they rule. Examples must be made of them publically and for ALL those Politicians to see and take notice.


    Still.....IMO this will hurt the Democrats and then maybe some of them will find their backbone and stand up to Reid and the Progressives. Bout time they start letting Reid hear it and feel it.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    If the Senate on a partisan vote change the rules to avoid filibusters on judges, the next majority can use the same tactics in repealing Obamacare, passing a Balanced Budget Amendment and anything else they want to put out there.
    Yes, I'm sure you care deeply about the tactical implications for the Democrats.

    If things have any chance of turning out as you say, then again I ask... Why are the Republicans up in arms about this? Why aren't they looking forward to eliminating Obamacare in just a few short years?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, I wasn't talking about when the Republicans wanted to do it.....and now as you say. It's the Democrats turn. So they are doing it.....alone. Just like they produced Obamacare.....alone.
    I'm sorry, I'm not following you here.

    You implied with a linked cartoon that Reid was assaulting the Constitution by getting rid of the filibuster. I linked to several prominent conservatives who, as recently as 2005, were pointing out (correctly) that the filibuster has no basis in the Constitution, that presidential nominees deserve an up-or-down vote. Several of those same conservatives are exploding in fury because Reid did what they suggested 8 years ago. What's changed since then? (Hint: It isn't the Constitution.)


    Myself, I think they need to come up with a different method of filling in Appointments, as long as it remains Constitutional. Judicial or any others.
    The Constitution is very clear that it is the President's job to make appointments, and the Senate's to advise and consent. As usual, it's an elegant solution, as it gives both the executive and legislative branches influence over the judiciary.

    The problem is not that "the president makes appointments." It's that the minority in the Senate is abusing its duty, and instead of performing oversight they are obstructing the process.

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