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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the GOP ever wins enough seats to control the Senate and they wants to change the rules so that the Democrats can block everything that they try to do, that's fine with me.
    The Senate is suppose to be a body that makes it difficult to change laws on a whim. These law changes on filibusters didn't start till 1977. But two can play the game.
    All it's going to take is 51 seats in the Senate to repeal Obamacare.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Actually, I think Rush Limbaugh said it better:

    "The Constitution says nothing about this. The Constitution says simple majority, 51 votes. But because they're invoking the filibuster, which, you know, the Senate can make up its own rules but not when they impose on the Constitution and not when they impose on the legislative branch. Separation of powers here. But if nobody stops them, they're going to keep getting away with it. It's up to the Senate Republicans to stop them."


    Hannity also had a good point:

    "There are seven specific instances in the Constitution where they call for a supermajority. I believe it's unconstitutional to filibuster. It is not about advice and consent now to ask for a supermajority on judicial nominations. I believe that is not constitutional."


    Rich Lowry, in the NRO, didn't mind it either:

    "Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist should take away their ability to mount unprecedented judicial filibusters through the so-called nuclear option, then sleep the sleep of an utterly justified defender of Senate tradition."


    And Karl Rove demanded an up-or-down vote for nominees:

    "We believe that fairness means these people deserve an up-or-down vote. The Senate can debate, the Senate has a right to oppose, it has a right to support, but it has an obligation under the Constitution to offer its advice and consent by a vote. And it's only fair."


    Aaaaand for good measure, Bill Kristol:

    "That's the constitutional underpinning of our history, which is not to filibuster presidential nominees. The president has the duty to fill those jobs. Congress should advise and consent, or not advise -- not consent. "


    And of course, I don't hear anyone saying the House should institute new rules introducing filibusters, or requiring supermajorities.

    The bottom line is that FILIBUSTERS HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL VALIDITY; and both Democrats and Republicans have flipped their positions since 2005. If the Democrats are doing this "purely" for advantage, then the Republicans -- who wanted to nuke the filibuster in 2005 -- are also opposing it as a knee-jerk partisan reaction.


    Well, I wasn't talking about when the Republicans wanted to do it.....and now as you say. It's the Democrats turn. So they are doing it.....alone. Just like they produced Obamacare.....alone.

    Myself, I think they need to come up with a different method of filling in Appointments, as long as it remains Constitutional. Judicial or any others.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yeah ole Harry came through for ya!




    This move will surely allow the lefties to pack the courts but I don't think you realize the implications it has in store for you in the future. For if the Senate on a partisan vote change the rules to avoid filibusters on judges, the next majority can use the same tactics in repealing Obamacare, passing a Balanced Budget Amendment and anything else they want to put out there. If the House maintains their majority which looks likely, and Republicans take the majority in the Senate which currently looks very possible as does a Republican president, it may well be the very thing that will allow Congress to undo the damage that the left has done to this country. They could reign in the Department of Education, Department of Energy, and other agencies like the EPA which keeps pumping out feckless numbers of new regulations killing jobs, violating property rights and raising heating costs for many Americans by 46%.

    You want to change the rules? Well two can play that way and when the Republicans are done cleaning up the mess the left has created, they can then restore the rule of law.
    it's delusional to think the GOP will change the rule back when they gain control ( when, not if).... being able to do what you want without opposition is a a dream of both parties..... and both parties will whine and cry when they are in the minority and made irrelevant.


    Democrat who are cheering this on today will find themselves crying and whining when Republicans use it... take that to the bank.
    republicans will gladly support it when that day comes... and Harry Reid opened that door for them to use it and support it.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's delusional to think the GOP will change the rule back when they gain control ( when, not if).... being able to do what you want without opposition is a a dream of both parties..... and both parties will whine and cry when they are in the minority and made irrelevant.


    Democrat who are cheering this on today will find themselves crying and whining when Republicans use it... take that to the bank.
    republicans will gladly support it when that day comes... and Harry Reid opened that door for them to use it and support it.
    I don't think it delusional to think the base of the party would be in favor of restoring the rules, can't speak for the rest of them. But what the Republican party could do right now is everything that Reid brings up for a vote is use the filibuster rules still in place for all other legislation, to make the left work real hard to pass anymore legislation. It may force ole Harry to invoke another nuclear option or force Obama to reach for his pen quite frequently to sign another Executive Order bypassing Congress altogether. Both tactics showing abuse of powers.

    Wasn't it Lindsey Graham that vowed to filibuster any Obama nominee until the White House was willing to release all the documents pertaining to Benghazi? Looks like ole Harry snuffed out Graham's candle.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's delusional to think the GOP will change the rule back when they gain control ( when, not if).... being able to do what you want without opposition is a a dream of both parties..... and both parties will whine and cry when they are in the minority and made irrelevant.


    Democrat who are cheering this on today will find themselves crying and whining when Republicans use it... take that to the bank.

    republicans will gladly support it when that day comes... and Harry Reid opened that door for them to use it and support it.
    I cynically agree but hope they won't. Perotista's right about it's not being good for the country to be veering either wildly left or right. Not that Reid or others are thinking about that.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I don't think it delusional to think the base of the party would be in favor of restoring the rules, can't speak for the rest of them. But what the Republican party could do right now is everything that Reid brings up for a vote is use the filibuster rules still in place for all other legislation, to make the left work real hard to pass anymore legislation. It may force ole Harry to invoke another nuclear option or force Obama to reach for his pen quite frequently to sign another Executive Order bypassing Congress altogether. Both tactics showing abuse of powers.

    Wasn't it Lindsey Graham that vowed to filibuster any Obama appointee until the White House was willing to release all the documents pertaining to Benghazi? Looks like ole Harry snuffed out Graham's candle.
    Mornin Vesper. Yes Graham did.....now he will have to go round about and call for more Senate hearings.

    The other issue with this......is now the Democrats will be able to fill all those seats on the Labor Board. The big concern was the Appellate. Although.....now the Republicans will only be able to delay and stall at a minimum.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

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    Mornin Vesper. Yes Graham did.....now he will have to go round about and call for more Senate hearings.

    The other issue with this......is now the Democrats will be able to fill all those seats on the Labor Board. The big concern was the Appellate. Although.....now the Republicans will only be able to delay and stall at a minimum.
    I see it as nothing more than the Democrats rubber stamping all of Obama's nominees. And their biggest focus is on packing a crucial circuit court that often serves as a stepping stone toward the Supreme Court.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    I think this is a really day period for America. A great strength I always thought was that here you could not have " Tyranny of the Majority".

    I really thought it was hogwash when people said that Obama wanted to tear down America, but I guess I was naive.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Great point....Thank you. Then, the Democrats do have the Constitutional authority to do exactly what they are doing now. The Republicans should take note for the future. The section noted gives to each house the power to determine the rules of its proceedings.
    Yep, they have the authority to do it. The point is that there have been filibusters since the very first congress, but now we have this maneuver by Reid and Obama to get rid of it in this case. One has to wonder what they they are really up to. The DC court has a low workload and doesn't even need these judges.

    Also note that these appointments must be so terrible that the dems can't get any support for them. With the filibuster, they only need a handful of republican votes, not the entire minority. They weren't even able to pick off a few RINO's to get these people through.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I don't think it delusional to think the base of the party would be in favor of restoring the rules, can't speak for the rest of them. But what the Republican party could do right now is everything that Reid brings up for a vote is use the filibuster rules still in place for all other legislation, to make the left work real hard to pass anymore legislation. It may force ole Harry to invoke another nuclear option or force Obama to reach for his pen quite frequently to sign another Executive Order bypassing Congress altogether. Both tactics showing abuse of powers.

    Wasn't it Lindsey Graham that vowed to filibuster any Obama nominee until the White House was willing to release all the documents pertaining to Benghazi? Looks like ole Harry snuffed out Graham's candle.
    Well, if the dems lose the Senate, they'll probably change the rule back before they go, then scream the republicans are destroying the senate if they do the same!
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