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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No. What Senate Republicans are really upside with is they see this as a power grab. The fear Senate Dems will run rough-shot over them as long as Republicans remain the minority party in the Senate. Moreover, they fear the lower judicial courts (District and Appeals) will be loaded with Liberal judges. It's got nothing to do with changing tradition because when they were in power not too long ago, they threatened to do the same thing.
    Threatening and doing are two different things.

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    In my form of utopian positivity, we all knew things were beyond broken, not just in the Senate..Reid's caucus forced him to do this, Reid is just the messenger..My faith in this Nation now tells me they start working together again..This is a jump-start to end futility .
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Just found this article from Forbs.com which gives a very good overview of how Republicans reacted by in 2005 when the situation was reversed. Only back then the Dems kept their side of the bargain.



    It's becoming clear to me that Senate Republicans reneged on their part of the deal this time around. This is why I'm not too hell bent on Sen. Reid's decision to pull the trigger. Granted, it might come back and bit him (and the President) in the butt, but the more people learn why this was done and what led up to it, the more I think people will kinda see things alittle more like Perotista (re: "President should get consideration for his nominations in a straight up or down vote with few excepts" (if I've interpreted his commentary correctly)).
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If the GOP hadn't abused the filibuster, this wouldn't have happened.
    Partisan hack point. the Dems did the same thing to eminently qualified candidates like Estrada (endorsed by ALL FOUR LIVING DEMOCRAT SOLICITOR GENERALS) and Peter Keisler



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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Nothing the SC can do about this considering that the opening line to Art. I, Section 5 of the Constitution gives both chambers of Congress the authority to set their own rules:



    All the SC will say is the Senate Majority Leader followed Senate Rules, its members voted and the rules were changed by majority vote.

    Next!
    I meant go all the way with the filibuster on the SCOTUS as Repubs will nuke the filibuster if Dems use it in the future on Repub SCOTUS nominees like Clarence Thomas, who surely would not make it past a Dem filibuster today..I rather look forward to Repubs repealing everything .
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Edit post #645:

    "The way I see it, if they backed away from not blocking nominations for long vacant positions that the President needs to have filled, then IMHO they left Sen. Reid no choice but to change the rules."
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Threatening and doing are two different things.
    True, but then again back then Senate Dems didn't go back on their word and force Senate Republicans to pull the trigger now, did they?
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Partisan hack point. the Dems did the same thing to eminently qualified candidates like Estrada (endorsed by ALL FOUR LIVING DEMOCRAT SOLICITOR GENERALS) and Peter Keisler
    They did, and that's why Senate Dems and Senate Republicans negotiated their truce -- no filibusters except for "exceptional circumstances," no nuclear option. That argument apparently didn't go both ways, and the Senate Republicans (now the minority) filibustered (or threatened to, which is all it takes anymore) at a record rate for reasons that most certainly would not be considered "exceptional."

    Also, it's "solicitors general."
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Partisan hack point. the Dems did the same thing to eminently qualified candidates like Estrada (endorsed by ALL FOUR LIVING DEMOCRAT SOLICITOR GENERALS) and Peter Keisler
    Do you know anything else but be upset at Estrada and Keisler and FDR..As if they're the only two good people ever caught in partisan politics..When did these filibustering abuses begin ??
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Do you know anything else but be upset at Estrada and Keisler and FDR..As if they're the only two good people ever caught in partisan politics..When did these filibustering abuses begin ??
    You didn't understand the point apparently



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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
    Wow, what a well thought out and reasoned response. Removing all doubt about your level of understanding. Get educated.
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