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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    for what it is worth, here is cnn giving credit where credit is due.



    And credit for the nuclear option goes to... - CNN.com

    i will let that set in for you.

    i guess the democrats were just listening to their constituents.
    The Reid rule. Okay, I guess that beats the Senator Harry Reid Option all to get out. As for history, Senator Reid will be famous or infamous and I guess history can decide that too. As for listening to their constituents, it is a shame some of them didn't do that back in march of 2010. But it is what it is. I don't like it, but I do think now if any majority leader can do away with the filibuster when ever he wants by invoking the Reid Rule, I like that, just do away with it completely and let's not stop of just nominations.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The Reid rule. Okay, I guess that beats the Senator Harry Reid Option all to get out. As for history, Senator Reid will be famous or infamous and I guess history can decide that too. As for listening to their constituents, it is a shame some of them didn't do that back in march of 2010. But it is what it is. I don't like it, but I do think now if any majority leader can do away with the filibuster when ever he wants by invoking the Reid Rule, I like that, just do away with it completely and let's not stop of just nominations.
    i don't mean to sound rude by asking this, but did you take into consideration what was in the article, mainly the reason why a group of activists chose to campaign for filibuster reform?
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because of the real motive for this - to pack the DC court while they still have the majority. That can't be changed later on.
    The House needs to defund the courts and reformulate them. It is time to start over with everything below the Supreme Court.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i don't mean to sound rude by asking this, but did you take into consideration what was in the article, mainly the reason why a group of activists chose to campaign for filibuster reform?
    they campaigned on it because they weren't getting their way on everything and they wanted to get their way on everything... so they whined and whined.. and whined... about the GOP not allowing them to get their way in everything.....
    because , you know, only liberals count in this country.. they think they should get anything they want, when they want it, with no opposition.

    when conservatives are in power, the same notion applies..... it's all about party and ideology, nobody else in the country matters.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    But the laws we now have are rewritten, subverted, portions are chosen to enforce and some portions not to. There isn't that much respect for the law as it is. Everything is political these days, everything is done for the good of the political party, not for the nation or the people as a whole.
    But most of the population respects the law.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I'm headed down the highway, how we doing tonight. Quite a lot to think about as to what you said. I think you had some good points, but I am an old foggie who doesn't care for that much change. At least all at once.
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    There's quite a lot I agree with there. However, some changes can't just be rolled back but rather entrench power. In particular judicial appointments. We're stuck with those yahoos until they die or get caught with a live boy or dead girl.
    I'm as much an old fogie as anyone else here. Maybe that gives me courage, since I can conveniently die if things don't work out so well. Ha!

    There are plenty of safeties built into the system. The SCOTUS is a perfect example. Some of our SCOTUS fogies have dementia or worse but they will sit there until they die. So, particularly in the present era where we have an extreme(ly) balanced court, some things can only be taken so far.

    With the exception of Robertsons complete surprise vote, I probably could call 98% of the rulings in advance. Most of them neutralize each other. For each crazy rightie, there is an equally crazy lefti. In those 98% cases, if they all went to the moon and Kennedy was the only one on Earth, you'd simply have to peek inside his head. Before him, Sandra Day was the only justice who made an effort to do the correct thing without being totally mesmerized by their own political party.

    So, with that in mind, isn't it time to get the show on the road? Lets be run by the left or the right - just let it run and let us see who accomplishes (not promises) more. How much more time do we need to waste on the 2nd amendment? You can have this but you can't have that. This barrel is too long, this is too short. Good grief. Nobody can take guns away. They can just dick around with technicalities.

    See, I heard Obama singing about his shovel ready jobs and the only jobs that were created were printers jobs at the mint. Has our infrastructure healed itself in the 5 years of this boast. **** no. Why? How can you explain why in a recession nobody actually created these jobs and did this desperately needed work? Was it because Obama was just making empty promises or was it Republican lack of cooperation? Don't even try to answer that question - it's rhetorical. We can never actually know. If it was all Obama all day all night, we'd be saying "wow, you were a big, fat liar - you're fired" or "like wow man, Obama is totally frosty". Now, it's just a giant shrug.

    I don't usually advocate fixing things that work. But I do want to see things that badly need fixing being fixed and there is just too much excuse potential on the plate.

    Now, we'll find out. Maybe too late this time but we might make better decisions in the future.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i don't mean to sound rude by asking this, but did you take into consideration what was in the article, mainly the reason why a group of activists chose to campaign for filibuster reform?
    I don't mind rudness, if I did I wouldn't be on this site. I said I don't like it, I have always understood the reasons behind it. There is a difference, but as old as I am, I am steeped in tradition. I have become use to and respect tradition. Now if this happened before the session began when the rules governing the body are suppose to be proposed, changed etc. I probably would have thought much about it. This change Reid pulled was like having two teams playing a pick up basketball game agree to the rules they would be playing under only to have the team who also owned the basketball, change the rules half way through the game to suit their purpose.

    When members of the senate meet at the beginning of a session they established the rules for that entire session. To change the rules during a session the rule stated it would require 67 votes, not 51. But it is what it is. Just goes to show you one can't trust politicians. As if I didn't know that all ready.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    But most of the population respects the law.
    Sure, us peons not in congress.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    The whining when the shoe is on the other foot will be amusing.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm as much an old fogie as anyone else here. Maybe that gives me courage, since I can conveniently die if things don't work out so well. Ha!
    Best line ever!

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