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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, you can keep throwing out this lie but it doesn't make it true. The increase in "filibuster" cloture votes (there have been no actual filibusters during Obama's presidency) is ONLY because of Harry Reid's insane habit of calling for a cloture vote on everything.
    His "insane" habit is because the Republicans are categorically refusing to accept the basic function of a President to fill nominations.


    Care to guess what percentage of Bush nominees made it through the Senate in that Senate session? 15%. FIFTEEN PERCENT.
    91% of Bush's judicial nominees were approved by the Senate. Obama? 76%.

    Bush's appointees had to wait 43 days on average for a confirmation vote. Obama? 107.

    The number of judicial vacancies is increasing. Several agency nominations, such as the CPA and ATF, have been opposed not because time was needed to evaluate the nominees, but out of sheer political opposition to those agencies.


    And let's face it: The filibuster, when sparingly used, is fine. Its use has gone completely off the rails, and its elimination is well overdue. Let's hope this keeps up, and they get rid of it (or at least, permanently revert to talking filibusters) in the near future.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is repealable. In fact if and this is a big if, if it looks like the 7 democratic senators from red states like they will lose their seats, it does now for 4 of them. They will join a couple of other conservative democrats like Manchin calling for it repeal early next year to mid summer. When it comes to politicians getting re-elected and self preservation is number one. Me, I will just wait and see what happens. Rumors are already afloat about this.
    You can not simply repeal it.... and, even if your scenario should happen, it would not be repealed.

    Rarely is there intelligence behind political rumor. Most "rumors" are someone's ill-conceived wishful thinking.

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    Holy crap! You mean the Senate can now approve Presidential appointments with a majority vote?? Oh, the humanity!!!
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What most people don't realize the filibuster added a bit of stability to our system. It prevented this wild swings.
    It most certainly has not added "stability" to the system.

    What it has done is trashed a legislature that was supposed to function based on simple majorities, and given an obstructionist minority the ability to grind huge swaths of government to a halt. Judicial vacancies aren't getting filled; departments aren't getting permanent heads, purely out of political spite. The ATF didn't have a director for seven years. How is that "stability?"


    Come 2017, if the GOP wins the white house and take control of the the senate, they can repeal Obamacare by just 51 votes and there is nothing the Democrats can do about it but offer the Republican "CONGRATULATIONS." After all it was the Democrats that let this monster loose.
    If that's the case, then why aren't Republicans licking their chops over this?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
    And you're here to proclaim your ignorance on the issue. No need. Simply put the filibuster as it has become requires the majority party to at least convince some of the minority party to vote their way. This usually means compromise. This is a good thing in our current highly stratified government. That's gone now that Harry went nuclear and where it may benefit his short term goals, it destroys any hope of compromise between the parties in the future. If you have the majority it's now my way or the highway.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You can not simply repeal it.... and, even if your scenario should happen, it would not be repealed.

    Rarely is there intelligence behind political rumor. Most "rumors" are someone's ill-conceived wishful thinking.
    Okay.............Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And you're here to proclaim your ignorance on the issue. No need. Simply put the filibuster as it has become requires the majority party to at least convince some of the minority party to vote their way. This usually means compromise. This is a good thing in our current highly stratified government. That's gone now that Harry went nuclear and where it may benefit his short term goals, it destroys any hope of compromise between the parties in the future. If you have the majority it's now my way or the highway.
    If the GOP hadn't abused the filibuster, this wouldn't have happened.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    It most certainly has not added "stability" to the system.

    What it has done is trashed a legislature that was supposed to function based on simple majorities, and given an obstructionist minority the ability to grind huge swaths of government to a halt. Judicial vacancies aren't getting filled; departments aren't getting permanent heads, purely out of political spite. The ATF didn't have a director for seven years. How is that "stability?"



    If that's the case, then why aren't Republicans licking their chops over this?
    They should be. But it has to be one step at a time. First win the senate in 2014, then win the presidency in 2016. I think this will be long remembered.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because of the real motive for this - to pack the DC court while they still have the majority. That can't be changed later on.
    I always hate these stupid games. Republicans are going to act all outraged when we all know they'd pack the court if they had the chance. Just like Democrats a few years ago were outraged at the thought of a rules change, and now they're doing it.


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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If the GOP hadn't abused the filibuster, this wouldn't have happened.
    That's nonsense. The dems "abused" the filibuster when they had a close minority (by that I mean where the majority didn't have a filibuster proof majority). As has been shown, Reid calls cloture even when there is no hint of filibuster, allowing dem syncophants to make claims such as you are making. How many actual filibusters have there been in this congressional session?

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