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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Gee you think it would have been a smart thing to appoint someone to be our UN Ambassador who is against the UN as a body? The genius of GW Bush is never to be overlooked....
    This is called moving the goal posts.

    The pointing out of Bolton wasn't in reference to someone suggesting whether or not Bolton was a smart appointee. It was in reference to THIS statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Democrats don't filibuster presidential appointments.
    Regardless if you think it was a legitimate, wise, or good move to filibuster him...the FACT is that they DID filibuster a presidential appointment, and thus Buck Ewer's statement was unquestionably and undeniably false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Too late to call hypocrisy. Your guys were bitching about fillibusters non-stop when Democrats were blocking Bush appointments.
    Yep, the hypocrisy card on this one is just going to be laughable watching either side pull it.

    Democrats cried a storm when Republicans threatened this back in the 00's, Republicans championed it as completely legitimate...now Democrats are championing it and Republicans are crying the storm, both sides are raging hypocrites (not that it's any surprise). Welcome to Politics as Usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So which party is obstructionist again?
    Both...people just like to rationalize and excuse they're parties obstructionist actions to make them feel okay criticizing the other side more.

    The reality is the minority party is elected, IN PART, to be obstructionist.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, the hypocrisy card on this one is just going to be laughable watching either side pull it.

    Democrats cried a storm when Republicans threatened this back in the 00's, Republicans championed it as completely legitimate...now Democrats are championing it and Republicans are crying the storm, both sides are raging hypocrites (not that it's any surprise). Welcome to Politics as Usual.
    The difference is one only threated, the other actually dropped the bomb. Speaking of hypocrites, how about a word from Senator Obama:

    SENATOR BARACK OBAMA (D-ILLINOIS): The American people sent us here to be their voice. They understand that those voices can at times become loud and argumentative, but they also hope that we can disagree without being disagreeable. […]

    What they don't expect is for one party - be it Republican or Democrat - to change the rules in the middle of the game so that they can make all the decisions while the other party is told to sit down and keep quiet. […]

    The American people want less partisanship in this town, but everyone in this chamber knows that the majority chooses to end the filibuster. If they choose to change the rules and put an end to Democratic debate, then the fighting and the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse.

    Now I understand that Republicans are getting a lot of pressure to do this from factions outside the chamber, but we need to rise above the "ends justify the means" mentality because we're here to answer to the people - all of the people - not just the ones that are wearing our particular party label. […]

    If the right of free and open debate is taken away from the minority party, and the millions of Americans who asked us to be their voice, I fear that the already partisan atmosphere in Washington will be poisoned to the point where no one will be able to agree on anything. That doesn't serve anyone's best interests, and it certainly isn't what the patriots who founded this democracy had in mind. We owe the people who sent us here more than that - we owe them much more.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Because theyre implying that democrats using it are bad. If they then use it, they are also bad. Hipocrasy by definition. By the way Mitch McConnel made the same threat yesterday.
    Blatant Hypocrisy: Watch Senate Democrats AND Obama Oppose Stripping Filibuster in 2005! | Independent Journal Review

    Still confused about what hypocrisy is?

    Make sure you listen to what Senator Biden has to say about it.
    “The nuclear option abandons America’s sense of fair play . . . tilting the playing field on the side of those who control and own the field. I say to my friends on the Republican side: You may own the field right now, but you won’t own it forever. I pray God when the Democrats take back control, we don’t make the kind of naked power grab you are doing.” --- Senator Joe Biden.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    And you think that when the Democrats are a minority again this won't comeback to hunt them since they will have no weapons to fight with remember Dems. filibustered President Bush's nominations.
    If this is the case, then why are Republicans protesting?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    it does show why i am skeptical of so called gentlemans agreements, including ones related to filibusters.
    All senate rules are gentlemen's agreements between the majority and minority party. The majority party is free to change any of those rules without external input that could put the minority party out of the game. They don't generally because there's an agreement that it won't be done to them when they become the minority. Reid just openned a door.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    If this is the case, then why are Republicans protesting?
    Because of the real motive for this - to pack the DC court while they still have the majority. That can't be changed later on.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This will come back on hunt the democrats when they are minority in the Senate.
    The current system has hurt already the Dems, effectively making them in the minority. It seems to me that addressing today's pain trumps some hypothetical future pain. They now, at least, stand a chance of getting something done and defending their bulkhead.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, this is a bad move by the democrats. It's a blatant attack on the what the framers of this country intended, it is a move towards totalitarian government, and keeping the opposition down. I hear Obama has since nominated 30 individuals, doubtless these people would never have past the confirmation process.

    Of course, whenever the republican gain control, the chances of which have just been greatly increased, they will have free reign to do as they please. At least they'll only need 51 votes to pass anything they want, since such a drastic change in the rules is now okay.

    Ironic, it was these left wing statists that called it the "Nuclear Option" because they were sooo against doing it. What a bunch of corrupt hypocrites.
    You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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