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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    As if! The GOP have literally done NOTHING legislatively since President Obama has been elected especially during his 2nd term. This is GREAT because finally the Senate can get some work done. The GOP strategy to block EVERYTHING will backfire far more than the change to the filibuster rule. It's so much fun watching the GOP beat each other up day after day after day...

    All anyone has to do if you want to be objective is look at the amount of filibusters since Obama became President versus the rest of American history to know how the GOP have abused the rule and now, finally, there's an end to their destroy Obama at all costs tactic - at least for nominations. They will, of course, continue to oppose any legislation from the Democrats even if the majority of House members would pass the bill if put up for a vote, i.e. ENDA, Immigration Reform etc.
    Excuse me. The obstructionism isn't all how I think you are thinking it is.

    Senate sitting on 290 bills already passed by House; tension mounts | TheHill

    As of earlier this year, Old Dirty Harry has obstructed 290 house bills, languishing on this desk because he doesn't like them.

    When it comes to being bi-partisan, the house has a much better record.

    Republican House Passing More Bipartisan Legislation Than Democratic Senate - PolicyMic

    So who's the party of "No"? Who's really obstructing the business of the congress?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So much for protect minority rights, perhaps the dems only protect minority rights when it suits them to do so. We are moving closer and closer to rule by the majority and a direct democracy. Where 50% plus 1 vote can have their way over the other 50% less 1 vote. I am disappointed, but not surprised or shocked. This is just another precedence set by a Democrat that those very same Democrats will come back hollering at the top of their lungs when in the majority, the Republicans return the favor.

    Bask in the glory is all I can say, because what goes around will come around. I would say as of today the Republican's have a 50-50 shot at gaining control of the Senate in 2014. It looks like Montana, West Virginia, South Dakota and Arkansas will change from Dem to Rep, then 2 of 3 of the following states, NC, AK and LA would give them control. These last three are in the toss up column today whereas the other 4 are in the lean Rep column. Interesting, I wonder how loud you will holler when the GOP uses Reid's precedence when they gain control? I fully expect you to support them in the same manner you are supporting Reid today. To do otherwise would be hypercritical and just show one is playing petty politics.

    In reality, this single vote doesn't bother me that much. I am just fearful of what will follow. I can see such things happening in the future if the GOP were to win the presidency in 2016 and gained the control of the senate of repealing the ACA by simple majority vote, by repealing the highest tax bracket by simple majority vote, by repealing any democratic legislation they don't like by simple majority vote. The precedence has been set.
    I get what you're saying but it could go either way. Most folks who oppose this rule change do so along party/ideological lines. Moreover, they're expecting some payback should the GOP remain control of the Senate in the near future. Ghe mindset being "Republicans will use a simple majority vote to push through nominees of their own". Well, what's to say they (or either party) wouldn't use a simple majority to still block a presidential nominee from the opposing party? It could work both ways.

    Frankly, I think this rule change in the Senate is long overdue. Too much gridlock for no other reason than to carry forward with party/ideological grandstanding.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Frankly, this is little more than what we've been seeing from this congress for along time already.

    It's yet another escalation of harmful tactics that both sides take great glee in pulling out when it's in their advantage and squawking about when it's not.

    My hope would be that cooler heads will prevail soon, but short of that, the political gamesmen would be removed by the voting booth.

    It's been posted that this hurts governing the country, this continued escalation of tactics and retribution, and I couldn't agree more.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is entirely immaterial who uses it more.
    The question isn't about use ...
    The question is about ABUSE.
    Do you believe for one instant that the framers of the constitution had total obstruction by the minority party in mind when the filibuster was instituted?
    McConnell abused the rule to obstruct ALL the President's appointments, leaving so many vacancies to the court that it's very function is in jeopardy.
    THAT IS material.
    That is what this is all about.
    The balance of powers is an important feature of the congress.
    Nobody ever expected it would be abused as McConnell has chosen to do.
    No one ever expected a congressional leader would want to stop EVERY appointment in such an irresponsible way.
    Extreme abuse calls for extreme measures. Harry did what he had to do, as much as he hated the need to do it.
    Mcconnell and the republicon anarchists/obstructionists brought this on ...not Harry.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Well, Reid opened the door to further "tweaks" of the filibuster rule in the future. If you think this will be the last change, you are naive.

    And just for fun, thanks to the Washington Times:

    Harry Reid then: “My Republican colleagues claim that nominees are entitled to an up-down vote. That claim ignores history, including recent history.” (floor speech, April 26, 2005)

    Harry Reid now: “These nominees deserve at least an up-or-down vote. But Republican filibusters deny them a fair vote and deny the president his team.”


    Harry Reid then: “Some in this chamber want to throw out 214 years of Senate history in the quest for absolute power … They think they’re wiser than our founding fathers. I doubt that that’s true.” (floor speech, May 18, 2005)

    Harry Reid now: "This is not about Democrats versus Republicans. This is about making Washington work – regardless of who’s in the White House or who controls the Senate. To remain relevant and effective as an institution, the Senate must evolve to meet the challenges of a modern era.”

    Harry Reid, later: The nuclear option, “simply put, would be the end of the United States Senate.” (from the book The Good Fight: Hard Lessons from Searchlight to Washington, 2008)

    Harry Reid now: “It’s time to change the Senate before this institution becomes obsolete.”

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Well, Reid opened the door to further "tweaks" of the filibuster rule in the future. If you think this will be the last change, you are naive.

    And just for fun, thanks to the Washington Times:
    exposes his hypocrisy
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    The framers didn't anticipate filibuster and didn't really institute the filibuster. The 1830s was when filibuster was actually born. Modern filibuster in no way resembles the filibuster of the 1830s. The senate has the constitutional grant to make, alter and do away with these rules.

    As to holding off all Obama appointments, that's a good thing considering his track record. Name one good appointment he's made (that have made office). Appointments are a moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips and deserve careful examination.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The question isn't about use ...
    The question is about ABUSE.
    Do you believe for one instant that the framers of the constitution had total obstruction by the minority party in mind when the filibuster was instituted?
    McConnell abused the rule to obstruct ALL the President's appointments, leaving so many vacancies to the court that it's very function is in jeopardy.
    THAT IS material.
    That is what this is all about.
    The balance of powers is an important feature of the congress.
    Nobody ever expected it would be abused as McConnell has chosen to do.
    No one ever expected a congressional leader would want to stop EVERY appointment in such an irresponsible way.
    Extreme abuse calls for extreme measures. Harry did what he had to do, as much as he hated the need to do it.
    Mcconnell and the republicon anarchists/obstructionists brought this on ...not Harry.
    The filibuster was created in 1806 as a result of Aaron Burr encouraging the Senate to clean up its rules, but the lack of any truth whatsoever in your post clearly will not get in the way of your cheerleading for the Kenyan dude.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Harry Reid changed the procedural rules of the Senate unilaterally to be able to hold the vote to change the filibusterer rule. The GOP in the Senate will make him eat this. Good bye any budget compromise in the spring; goodbye immigration reform; goodbye democratic control of the senate. Harry Reid just turned Obama into a lame duck 2 years early and empowered the Tea Party by a magnitude of 10. Political karma just loves dirty tricks.
    Just as Bohner unilaterally changed the voting rules to perpetuate the shut down.
    BTW this rule change ONLY applies to approval of appointment nominees.
    All other filibuster abilities remain completely in tact.
    Legislative and budget concerns will not be effected in any way.
    The political karma will be that the senate will remain Democratic because of McConnell's abuse of power.
    The country as a whole hate the Teabagger party.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Just as Bohner unilaterally changed the voting rules to perpetuate the shut down.
    BTW this rule change ONLY applies to approval of appointment nominees.
    All other filibuster abilities remain completely in tact.

    Legislative and budget concerns will not be effected in any way.
    The political karma will be that the senate will remain Democratic because of McConnell's abuse of power.
    The country as a whole hate the Teabagger party.
    Right now, this is correct. However, the taboo is gone. Prepare for further changes to the rules.

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