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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Which is probably why I never said it was.

    You said, "Reid hasn't passed a budget in years." You were wrong, the senate passed a budget this year.


    Senate passes budget
    Oh okay, then the House did too.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They knew they were in trouble all along Pero.....3 years awaiting this rollout and it is a disaster. Site even went down with just 500 users. There was no preparation and getting it all set up. Now the Democrats just completely divided a lot of Bi partisian-ship legislation that was being worked on together, with this little stunt.

    This Nuclear Option will work against them come election time. Polls are starting to go over 85% on repeal and start over. Now that more and more of it fails and they can't keep reaching their numbers. It is the Democrats that will be seen as covering up and then looking to go around the people and the Constitution. Plus lets not forget it will come back around full circle at the end of 2015 going into the presidential election.
    That is awful high, 85%. CBS News has the ACA approval at 31% and disapproval at 61%. Fox News has 46% in favor of total repeal and start anew while 42% are saying it needs a complete overhaul. Only 10% are saying keep it as is.

    here is some figures on different senate races to contemplate, in places where one wouldn't expect.

    Michigan Democrat Peters lead republican Land by 1 point 37-36
    Colorado Democrat Udall leads Republican Buck by 3 points 45-42 two weeks ago udall's lead was 15 points
    Michigan and Colorado should be two safe states that the democrats shouldn't have to worry about.
    Then there is:
    Montana Republican up by 17
    North Carolina Democrat Hagan leads by 2 points, two weeks ago she lead by 17
    Arkansas Republican Cotton leads Democrat Pryor by 1 point 37-36
    West Virginia Republican Capito leads democrat Tennant by 14 50-36
    New Hampshire Democrat Shaheen leads republican Brown by 4 points 48-44
    South Dakota Republican Rounds leads Democrat Weiland by 14, 52-38

    I know that there is a long, long time to go, but the democrats are in trouble and in some places one would have never thought. I wonder if they might have been in much more trouble without the Repubican shutdown. I think that shutdown the GOP shot themselves in the foot. But thanks to the ACA, they have recovered nicely.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Well if the Republicans win the WH in 2016, there is a strong chance they themselves would do away the filibuster themselves so they could repeal Obamacare.
    I have no doubt about it now since Reid used it first. If they do you can thank Senator Reid as he dropped the first bomb. Send you congratulation telegram to the RNC and info Senator Harry Reid on it when they do. I think they might as well now just do completely away with the filibuster rule, it means nothing when the majority party can just suspend it or end as they see fit. Why put up with the charade now. Both parties are or should be aware of this. No need to keep it on the books, it is meaningless as Harry Reid proved yesterday. Do away with it. Minorities need no protection what so ever and this country needs no stability between wild swings to the left and then to the right and back again.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    I am posting this again because it deserves attention in order to silence to defiantly ignorant Democrat supporters. Here is a comparison of Nomination cloture votes of the 108th Senate (Republican controlled) to the 113th Senate (Democrat Controlled). Which one shows a minority party being obstructionist?

    113 Congress:

    F= Failed Cloture, W= Withdrawn due to Unanimous consent (passed), I= Invoked (passed), V=Vitiated (Erroneous submission, etc.), N= No Vote, vebal consent (passed)

    14-Nov PN529 Nominee Robert Leon Wilkins Reid 18-Nov 53 - 38 No. 235 F
    7-Nov PN528 Nominee Cornelia T. L. Pillard Reid 12-Nov 56 - 41 No. 233 F
    28-Oct PN527 Nominee Patricia Ann Millett Reid 31-Oct 55 - 38 No. 227 F
    28-Oct PN408 Nominee Melvin L. Watt Reid 31-Oct 56 - 42 No. 226 F
    28-Oct PN41 Nominee Jacob J. Lew Reid 30-Oct UC W
    28-Oct PN412 Nominee Thomas Edgar Wheeler Reid 29-Oct no vote N
    28-Oct PN509 Nominee Katherine Archuleta Reid 30-Oct 81 - 18 No. 224 I
    28-Oct PN36 Nominee Alan F. Estevez Reid 30-Oct 91 - 8 No. 223 I
    16-Oct PN789 Nominee Richard F. Griffin Reid 29-Oct 62 - 37 No. 221 I
    29-Jul PN554 Nominee Samantha Power Reid 30-Jul UC W
    29-Jul PN120 Nominee Byron Todd Jones Reid 31-Jul 60 - 40 No. 196 I
    25-Jul PN266 Nominee Mark Gaston Pearce Reid 30-Jul 69 - 29 No. 193 I
    25-Jul PN680 Nominee Nancy Jean Schiffer Reid 30-Jul 65 - 33 No. 191 I
    25-Jul PN679 Nominee Kent Yoshiho Hirozawa Reid 30-Jul 64 - 34 No. 189 I
    25-Jul PN586 Nominee James B. Comey, Jr Reid 29-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN192 Nominee Regina McCarthy Reid 18-Jul 69 - 31 No. 179 I
    11-Jul PN205 Nominee Thomas Edward Perez Reid 17-Jul 60 - 40 No. 177 I
    11-Jul PN239 Nominee Fred P. Hochberg Reid 17-Jul 82 - 18 No. 175 I
    11-Jul PN266 Nominee Mark Gaston Pearce Reid 16-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN159 Nominee Sharon Block Reid 16-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN158 Nominee Richard F. Griffin Reid 16-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN157 Nominee Richard Cordray Reid 16-Jul 71 - 29 No. 173 I
    21-May PN6 Nominee Srikanth Srinivasan Reid 23-May UC W
    6-Mar PN48 Nominee John Owen Brennan Durbin 7-Mar 81 - 16 No. 31 I
    4-Mar PN2 Nominee Caitlin Joan Halligan Reid 6-Mar 51 - 41 No. 30 F
    13-Feb PN34 Nominee Charles Timothy Hagel Reid 26-Feb 71 - 27* No. 23 I

    That if 5 Cloture Failures out of 26

    Now let's look at the 108th Senate, shall we?

    12-Nov PN8 Judicial nominee Carolyn B. Kuhl Frist 12-Nov 53 - 43 No. 451 F
    28-Oct PN12 Judicial nominee Charles W. Pickering, Sr. McConnell 30-Oct 54 - 43 No. 419 F
    21-Jul PN9 Judicial nominee David W. McKeague Frist 22-Jul 53 - 44 No. 162 F
    20-Jul PN14 Judicial nominee Henry W. Saad Frist 22-Jul 52 - 46 No. 160 F
    12-Nov PN839 Judicial nominee Janice R. Brown Frist 12-Nov 53 - 43 No. 452 F
    4-Mar PN6 Judicial nominee Miguel A. Estrada Frist 6-Mar 55 - 44 No. 40 F
    29-Apr PN11 Judicial nominee Priscilla R. Owen McConnell 1-May 52 - 44 No. 137 F
    21-Jul PN7 Judicial nominee Richard A. Griffin Frist 22-Jul 54 - 44 No. 161 F
    16-Jul PN658 Judicial nominee William G. Myers Frist 20-Jul 53 - 44 No. 158 F
    4-Nov PN512 Judicial nominee William H. Pryor, Jr. Santorum 6-Nov 51 - 43 No. 441 F
    4-Mar PN2 Nominee Caitlin Joan Halligan Reid 6-Mar 51 - 41 No. 30 F
    7-Nov PN528 Nominee Cornelia T. L. Pillard Reid 12-Nov 56 - 41 No. 233 F
    28-Oct PN408 Nominee Melvin L. Watt Reid 31-Oct 56 - 42 No. 226 F
    28-Oct PN527 Nominee Patricia Ann Millett Reid 31-Oct 55 - 38 No. 227 F
    14-Nov PN529 Nominee Robert Leon Wilkins Reid 18-Nov 53 - 38 No. 235 F
    12-Nov PN141 Nominee Thomas C. Dorr Frist 18-Nov 57 - 39 No. 455 F
    28-Oct PN36 Nominee Alan F. Estevez Reid 30-Oct 91 - 8 No. 223 I
    29-Jul PN120 Nominee Byron Todd Jones Reid 31-Jul 60 - 40 No. 196 I
    13-Feb PN34 Nominee Charles Timothy Hagel Reid 26-Feb 71 - 27* No. 23 I
    11-Jul PN239 Nominee Fred P. Hochberg Reid 17-Jul 82 - 18 No. 175 I
    6-Mar PN48 Nominee John Owen Brennan Durbin 7-Mar 81 - 16 No. 31 I
    28-Oct PN509 Nominee Katherine Archuleta Reid 30-Oct 81 - 18 No. 224 I
    25-Jul PN679 Nominee Kent Yoshiho Hirozawa Reid 30-Jul 64 - 34 No. 189 I
    25-Jul PN266 Nominee Mark Gaston Pearce Reid 30-Jul 69 - 29 No. 193 I
    25-Jul PN680 Nominee Nancy Jean Schiffer Reid 30-Jul 65 - 33 No. 191 I
    11-Jul PN192 Nominee Regina McCarthy Reid 18-Jul 69 - 31 No. 179 I
    11-Jul PN157 Nominee Richard Cordray Reid 16-Jul 71 - 29 No. 173 I
    16-Oct PN789 Nominee Richard F. Griffin Reid 29-Oct 62 - 37 No. 221 I
    11-Jul PN205 Nominee Thomas Edward Perez Reid 17-Jul 60 - 40 No. 177 I
    28-Oct PN412 Nominee Thomas Edgar Wheeler Reid 29-Oct no vote N
    27-Jun PN38 Judicial nominee Victor J. Wolski Frist 8-Jul UC V
    23-Oct PN884 Nominee Michael O. Leavitt McConnell 27-Oct UC V
    28-Oct PN41 Nominee Jacob J. Lew Reid 30-Oct UC W
    25-Jul PN586 Nominee James B. Comey, Jr Reid 29-Jul UC W
    29-Jul PN554 Nominee Samantha Power Reid 30-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN159 Nominee Sharon Block Reid 16-Jul UC W
    21-May PN6 Nominee Srikanth Srinivasan Reid 23-May UC W


    That is 16 Failed Cloture votes out of 37, or 43% of all nominees. I removed all of the repeated cloture failures for certain nominees. The Democrats blocked Estrada on 7 separate cloture votes.

    So which party is obstructionist again?
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I am posting this again because it deserves attention in order to silence to defiantly ignorant Democrat supporters. Here is a comparison of Nomination cloture votes of the 108th Senate (Republican controlled) to the 113th Senate (Democrat Controlled). Which one shows a minority party being obstructionist?.....
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    So which party is obstructionist again?
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    Senate Republicans on Monday sustained a filibuster of a third consecutive nominee to the second most powerful federal court, putting Democrats in a bind between surrendering on a high priority and threatening to reform the filibuster with the "nuclear option."


    A procedural vote to advance the nomination of Robert Wilkins to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals received 53 votes (short of the 60 needed) and 38 votes against. It was the GOP's third filibuster in three weeks -- they also blocked Patricia Millett and Nina Pillard to the same court, without taking issue with any of their qualifications.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Because theyre implying that democrats using it are bad. If they then use it, they are also bad. Hipocrasy by definition. By the way Mitch McConnel made the same threat yesterday.
    Really, Reid railed against the nuclear option as "unfair" and "tyrannical" in 2005 when Democrats were in the minority. I think you actually need to look up the definition of hypocrisy.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Rhetorical question: are all the properties on a Monopoly board of the same value??

    GOP Completes Mass Filibuster Of Three Top Obama Judges

    Senate Republicans on Monday sustained a filibuster of a third consecutive nominee to the second most powerful federal court, putting Democrats in a bind between surrendering on a high priority and threatening to reform the filibuster with the "nuclear option."


    A procedural vote to advance the nomination of Robert Wilkins to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals received 53 votes (short of the 60 needed) and 38 votes against. It was the GOP's third filibuster in three weeks -- they also blocked Patricia Millett and Nina Pillard to the same court, without taking issue with any of their qualifications.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is awful high, 85%. CBS News has the ACA approval at 31% and disapproval at 61%. Fox News has 46% in favor of total repeal and start anew while 42% are saying it needs a complete overhaul. Only 10% are saying keep it as is.

    here is some figures on different senate races to contemplate, in places where one wouldn't expect.

    Michigan Democrat Peters lead republican Land by 1 point 37-36
    Colorado Democrat Udall leads Republican Buck by 3 points 45-42 two weeks ago udall's lead was 15 points
    Michigan and Colorado should be two safe states that the democrats shouldn't have to worry about.
    Then there is:
    Montana Republican up by 17
    North Carolina Democrat Hagan leads by 2 points, two weeks ago she lead by 17
    Arkansas Republican Cotton leads Democrat Pryor by 1 point 37-36
    West Virginia Republican Capito leads democrat Tennant by 14 50-36
    New Hampshire Democrat Shaheen leads republican Brown by 4 points 48-44
    South Dakota Republican Rounds leads Democrat Weiland by 14, 52-38

    I know that there is a long, long time to go, but the democrats are in trouble and in some places one would have never thought. I wonder if they might have been in much more trouble without the Repubican shutdown. I think that shutdown the GOP shot themselves in the foot. But thanks to the ACA, they have recovered nicely.
    it is still 1 year before the elections, and primary season has not yet begun. i don't think anyone can claim absolute victory yet.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I am posting this again because it deserves attention in order to silence to defiantly ignorant Democrat supporters. Here is a comparison of Nomination cloture votes of the 108th Senate (Republican controlled) to the 113th Senate (Democrat Controlled). Which one shows a minority party being obstructionist?

    113 Congress:

    F= Failed Cloture, W= Withdrawn due to Unanimous consent (passed), I= Invoked (passed), V=Vitiated (Erroneous submission, etc.), N= No Vote, vebal consent (passed)

    14-Nov PN529 Nominee Robert Leon Wilkins Reid 18-Nov 53 - 38 No. 235 F
    7-Nov PN528 Nominee Cornelia T. L. Pillard Reid 12-Nov 56 - 41 No. 233 F
    28-Oct PN527 Nominee Patricia Ann Millett Reid 31-Oct 55 - 38 No. 227 F
    28-Oct PN408 Nominee Melvin L. Watt Reid 31-Oct 56 - 42 No. 226 F
    28-Oct PN41 Nominee Jacob J. Lew Reid 30-Oct UC W
    28-Oct PN412 Nominee Thomas Edgar Wheeler Reid 29-Oct no vote N
    28-Oct PN509 Nominee Katherine Archuleta Reid 30-Oct 81 - 18 No. 224 I
    28-Oct PN36 Nominee Alan F. Estevez Reid 30-Oct 91 - 8 No. 223 I
    16-Oct PN789 Nominee Richard F. Griffin Reid 29-Oct 62 - 37 No. 221 I
    29-Jul PN554 Nominee Samantha Power Reid 30-Jul UC W
    29-Jul PN120 Nominee Byron Todd Jones Reid 31-Jul 60 - 40 No. 196 I
    25-Jul PN266 Nominee Mark Gaston Pearce Reid 30-Jul 69 - 29 No. 193 I
    25-Jul PN680 Nominee Nancy Jean Schiffer Reid 30-Jul 65 - 33 No. 191 I
    25-Jul PN679 Nominee Kent Yoshiho Hirozawa Reid 30-Jul 64 - 34 No. 189 I
    25-Jul PN586 Nominee James B. Comey, Jr Reid 29-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN192 Nominee Regina McCarthy Reid 18-Jul 69 - 31 No. 179 I
    11-Jul PN205 Nominee Thomas Edward Perez Reid 17-Jul 60 - 40 No. 177 I
    11-Jul PN239 Nominee Fred P. Hochberg Reid 17-Jul 82 - 18 No. 175 I
    11-Jul PN266 Nominee Mark Gaston Pearce Reid 16-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN159 Nominee Sharon Block Reid 16-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN158 Nominee Richard F. Griffin Reid 16-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN157 Nominee Richard Cordray Reid 16-Jul 71 - 29 No. 173 I
    21-May PN6 Nominee Srikanth Srinivasan Reid 23-May UC W
    6-Mar PN48 Nominee John Owen Brennan Durbin 7-Mar 81 - 16 No. 31 I
    4-Mar PN2 Nominee Caitlin Joan Halligan Reid 6-Mar 51 - 41 No. 30 F
    13-Feb PN34 Nominee Charles Timothy Hagel Reid 26-Feb 71 - 27* No. 23 I

    That if 5 Cloture Failures out of 26

    Now let's look at the 108th Senate, shall we?

    12-Nov PN8 Judicial nominee Carolyn B. Kuhl Frist 12-Nov 53 - 43 No. 451 F
    28-Oct PN12 Judicial nominee Charles W. Pickering, Sr. McConnell 30-Oct 54 - 43 No. 419 F
    21-Jul PN9 Judicial nominee David W. McKeague Frist 22-Jul 53 - 44 No. 162 F
    20-Jul PN14 Judicial nominee Henry W. Saad Frist 22-Jul 52 - 46 No. 160 F
    12-Nov PN839 Judicial nominee Janice R. Brown Frist 12-Nov 53 - 43 No. 452 F
    4-Mar PN6 Judicial nominee Miguel A. Estrada Frist 6-Mar 55 - 44 No. 40 F
    29-Apr PN11 Judicial nominee Priscilla R. Owen McConnell 1-May 52 - 44 No. 137 F
    21-Jul PN7 Judicial nominee Richard A. Griffin Frist 22-Jul 54 - 44 No. 161 F
    16-Jul PN658 Judicial nominee William G. Myers Frist 20-Jul 53 - 44 No. 158 F
    4-Nov PN512 Judicial nominee William H. Pryor, Jr. Santorum 6-Nov 51 - 43 No. 441 F
    4-Mar PN2 Nominee Caitlin Joan Halligan Reid 6-Mar 51 - 41 No. 30 F
    7-Nov PN528 Nominee Cornelia T. L. Pillard Reid 12-Nov 56 - 41 No. 233 F
    28-Oct PN408 Nominee Melvin L. Watt Reid 31-Oct 56 - 42 No. 226 F
    28-Oct PN527 Nominee Patricia Ann Millett Reid 31-Oct 55 - 38 No. 227 F
    14-Nov PN529 Nominee Robert Leon Wilkins Reid 18-Nov 53 - 38 No. 235 F
    12-Nov PN141 Nominee Thomas C. Dorr Frist 18-Nov 57 - 39 No. 455 F
    28-Oct PN36 Nominee Alan F. Estevez Reid 30-Oct 91 - 8 No. 223 I
    29-Jul PN120 Nominee Byron Todd Jones Reid 31-Jul 60 - 40 No. 196 I
    13-Feb PN34 Nominee Charles Timothy Hagel Reid 26-Feb 71 - 27* No. 23 I
    11-Jul PN239 Nominee Fred P. Hochberg Reid 17-Jul 82 - 18 No. 175 I
    6-Mar PN48 Nominee John Owen Brennan Durbin 7-Mar 81 - 16 No. 31 I
    28-Oct PN509 Nominee Katherine Archuleta Reid 30-Oct 81 - 18 No. 224 I
    25-Jul PN679 Nominee Kent Yoshiho Hirozawa Reid 30-Jul 64 - 34 No. 189 I
    25-Jul PN266 Nominee Mark Gaston Pearce Reid 30-Jul 69 - 29 No. 193 I
    25-Jul PN680 Nominee Nancy Jean Schiffer Reid 30-Jul 65 - 33 No. 191 I
    11-Jul PN192 Nominee Regina McCarthy Reid 18-Jul 69 - 31 No. 179 I
    11-Jul PN157 Nominee Richard Cordray Reid 16-Jul 71 - 29 No. 173 I
    16-Oct PN789 Nominee Richard F. Griffin Reid 29-Oct 62 - 37 No. 221 I
    11-Jul PN205 Nominee Thomas Edward Perez Reid 17-Jul 60 - 40 No. 177 I
    28-Oct PN412 Nominee Thomas Edgar Wheeler Reid 29-Oct no vote N
    27-Jun PN38 Judicial nominee Victor J. Wolski Frist 8-Jul UC V
    23-Oct PN884 Nominee Michael O. Leavitt McConnell 27-Oct UC V
    28-Oct PN41 Nominee Jacob J. Lew Reid 30-Oct UC W
    25-Jul PN586 Nominee James B. Comey, Jr Reid 29-Jul UC W
    29-Jul PN554 Nominee Samantha Power Reid 30-Jul UC W
    11-Jul PN159 Nominee Sharon Block Reid 16-Jul UC W
    21-May PN6 Nominee Srikanth Srinivasan Reid 23-May UC W


    That is 16 Failed Cloture votes out of 37, or 43% of all nominees. I removed all of the repeated cloture failures for certain nominees. The Democrats blocked Estrada on 7 separate cloture votes.

    So which party is obstructionist again?
    Some of them understand what you are getting at. But the truth holds no value to the Democrat lie. So they will keep on repeating the lies the leadership of the Democrat party keeps telling.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    it is still 1 year before the elections, and primary season has not yet begun. i don't think anyone can claim absolute victory yet.
    you are absolutely correct. One of the reasons I keep posting the status is the wild ride that has happened so far. On 1 Sep 2013 it looked like the GOP would pick up 6 senate seats and 5 House Seats. On 1 Nov the Republicans were down to 3 senate seats and a lost of 5-10 house seats. Today going into the different sites that forecast or put the states into columns, the GOP would only pick up 4 senate seats while a lot more look promising or in the toss up column. In the house the Democrats look like 5-8 seat pick up now. Stay tuned, I always keep abreast of this stuff. It has been a hobby of mine for a very long time. The trend line is at this moment is to the Republicans advantage. In fact in party identification/affiliation the figures went from 20% Republican right after the shutdown to 23% Republican today. For the Democrats it was 30% after the shutdown, a 10 point advantage and today the Democrats are at 28%. See what I mean about trends.
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