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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Spoken for truth.

    Again, the left lacks foresight. 10 years from now, they'll be searching for a time machine to take them back to November 20th, 2013 to talk to Reid. And they thought it was bad under Bush. Imagine the Bush admin, with a senate/house under full GOP control....with this in place. Judicial branch would be LOADED with ideologues. It will take you 25 years to undo all of it with this system in place.
    Really think about it.

    Yeah.

    I swear they stiff glue in the DNC conventions.
    the precedence has been set. Senator Harry Reid will go down in history as either the most famous or infamous Senate Majority Leader ever to occupy that office. No more rights at all for the minority party and no more checks and balances. The senate has just become another House of Representatives.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Germany is a perfect demonstration that social democracy and capitalism are not at all mutually exclusive. They make it all work together and there is no danger of them becoming a communist state.
    Your fears of the US becoming a communist state because we may adopt a few socialist programs are ridiculous.
    You're confusing social policies instituted by a representational republic with a social democracy as a form of government. Germany is not a social democracy (though the SPD wouldn't mind if things went that direction). By instituting the precedent of the "nuclear option" our Senate is now situated to facilitate a full blown change from a Republican form of government to a direct Democracy. In fact the ONLY thing preventing us from devolving into that structure is that individual States still have sufficient power to offset many of the federal power grabs.

    Should we allow more power to be ceded to the executive branch while weakening the protective blanket of the legislature we WILL lose the Republic. While some of you might be just fine with that idea there are others of us who are not and in order to protect the interests of ALL Americans we can not allow ourselves to devolve into a "winner take all" form of government.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think you better study the polls, look at Charlie Cooks, Larry Sabato's, Stuart Rothenberg's and a few other prognostacators web sites. I keep track of these things. If the election were to happen today, Montana, West Virginia, South Dakota and Arkansas would change hands from Democrat to Republican. There are another three toss up states in Democratic hands that could change, odds 50-50, North Carolina, Alaska and Louisiana. Then too in Michigan according to a poll released yesterday, Democratic candidate Land leads Republican candidate Peters by only 1 point and Michigan may also change hands from Democrat to Republican. Then there is Colorado where Udall's one large lead for another Democratic seat has slipped to from 16 points to 7 over the last two weeks. Still a long way off, but based on what I see from all my different sources of information, the odds as of today of the GOP winning the senate is no worse than 50-50.

    The house is safely in GOP hands. Going district by district and throwing the generic congressional ballot out the window, you have 175 safe Democratic Seats to 208 safe seats for the Republicans. Those seats come heck and high water will not change. Each party has 26 seats each in play. Of these the Democrats had 8 seats in the likely column which means that these seats are not competitive, but has a chance to become so down the road. The Republicans have 10 such seats. These seats are at least 90% certain to remain in their parties hands so that would make the total 183 safe/likely seats for the Democrats and 218 safe/likely seats for the Republicans and it only take 218 to retain their majority. Of the remain 18 Democratic seats 11 are in the lean column and 7 are pure toss ups. Of the remaining 16 Republican seats 8 are in the lean column and 8 are pure toss ups. Lean means the race is competitive but one party or the other has the advantage, these tend to stay in the incumbents party's hands 2/3rds of the time.

    Again these figures are as of today, not one year from now. If you want a monthly update go to my blogs, I post them on the 1st of every month.
    If memory serves me correctly, you had the 2012 election pegged exactly right. Since you have no ax to grind with either party, I trust your posts. I don't always like what you say, but that's my problem to live with!

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Unlikely. If the Democrats really thought they stood to lose the Senate, it is unlikely that they would want this. Nice try though.
    Dems aren't known for that sort of forethought historically. Try again.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    If memory serves me correctly, you had the 2012 election pegged exactly right. Since you have no ax to grind with either party, I trust your posts. I don't always like what you say, but that's my problem to live with!
    Actually my ax is sharp for both parties as I do not like either and distrust both. The information is out there for all to see, all I do is check each and ever site daily and keep track of trends and on the 1st of December I will post my update number 4. It does look like a wild ride towards November 2014. I have already since my first post on 1 Sep seen the pendulum swing from the GOP to the Democrats and as of today it looks like it is swing back towards the GOP. The one thing you ought to keep an eye on is party affiliation/identification. By using that along with the other info I obtained I was able to prognosticate correctly all but 2 senate races last year. Dead on with the president and the house.

    But back to party affliation/identification, the republican party is on the rise, from 20% last month to 23% this month. The Democrats are going in the opposite direction, from 30% last month to 28% this month. For the mid terms I place a lot more stock in party affiliation than presidential approval or the generic congressional polls although there the once 48-40 advantage for the Democrats of mid October has all been erased, The Democrat advantage is now 41-40. But notice here that any of that 7 point drop didn't go into the Republican column. They went into the undecided column or as I would put it, the independent column. Neither party is popular, both are disliked. So people end up voting in mid terms for the least disliked party. Right now they even.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Unlikely. If the Democrats really thought they stood to lose the Senate, it is unlikely that they would want this. Nice try though.
    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Two things, and stuff you really should know by now:
    1) Presidential election voting patterns don't in any way resemble midterm election voting patterns.
    2) You need to pay attention to your own links. Pay particular attention to the healthcare vote. That will be reversed this time. Obamacare is an overwhelming failure in the public eye.

    What you should be paying attention to is this:
    United States Senate elections, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Look at the competitives for senate races. Three times as many dems in trouble for midterm senate races than the repubs. Oh my, make that four times as many.
    Yeah. I saw the healthcare numbers. That's why the GOP was dumb to shut down the government in an attempt to repeal Obamscare. And, if the ACA is still a mess in 12 months, the D's deserve to lose. You gamble big, you win or lose big. I'm OK with that.

    I just doubt that anyone not already entrenched in R's will be moaning about Obamacare in Nov of next year. Like Benghazi, it's just a shiny object with which to rally the base. I think women will still care more about their reproductive rights, especially as draconian ant-abortion laws in Texas begin to take effect. Thoughts of that going national will continue feeding the female exodus from the GOP.

    As to your map. Do you honestly expect Senate races in Michigan, Vermont and Massachusetts to be competitive? I'll give ya WV, NC, SD and Montana, assuming no one says rape can't get you pregnant. But, I doubt seats flip in Colorado, Minnesota and Oregon. Louisiana and Arkansas maybe. But, so too could the GOP lose Kentucky and Georgia...especially if the woman vote keeps shifting Left.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Nobody but partisans are going to care. 95% of voters won't even know what this means.
    But all of us will be affected. After the courts are stacked we will have no recourse to the machinations of the two million busybody bureaucrats who will harass, harry, and hound the citizens. EPA and Interior will be the worst offenders.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Let's just look back a few years (2005), and see what a Junior Senator from Illinois had to say about the Nuclear Option just imposed yesterday by the Democrats in the Senate...


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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The filibuster has been part of the senate since 1806. But never mind I am with you on this. I will love seeing in the future what has been accomplished by one party during the time they possessed the white house be completely undone by the new party who takes over and imposes their will to be completely undone when the other party comes back into power. Talk about a wild ride. We'll see.
    Yeah, I can see that. Wildly swinging pendulum with ever increasing speeds and extremes whipsawing back and forth.
    Not sure that's really the best thing for the country.

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