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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    YES.

    One of the jobs of the executive branch is to make these appointments. It is unacceptable for the legislature to obstruct and thwart this process, regardless of who is in charge.


    WRONG.

    Filibusters on the legislature have not been removed. The only filibuster they've eliminated is on presidential appointments.

    In addition, it's pretty much par for the course for the legislature to be allowed to repeal laws. No one, regardless of party, should be allowed to pass a law that cannot possibly be repealed.



    It's very clear that the filibuster on appointees has been thoroughly abused, and does far more harm than good. It's well past time for it to go.
    Get back with me if the republicans win the senate next year and perhaps the white house in 2016 and just watch how many times this procedure is used by them to get everything they want passed and repealed. You must have a lot of trust in the republicans. The tooth paste is out of the tube and there is no putting it back. The senate rules state it take 67 votes to change them, but Reid used a loophole. That little loop hole will grow pretty darn big in the future. Big enough to drive a train through and then it will keep expanding.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    This has nothing to do with nuclear weapons does it?
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    This has nothing to do with nuclear weapons does it?
    more like detente
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Get back with me if the republicans win the senate next year and perhaps the white house in 2016 and just watch how many times this procedure is used by them to get everything they want passed and repealed. You must have a lot of trust in the republicans. The tooth paste is out of the tube and there is no putting it back. The senate rules state it take 67 votes to change them, but Reid used a loophole. That little loop hole will grow pretty darn big in the future. Big enough to drive a train through and then it will keep expanding.
    Republicans have already stated once they take back the senate, they will be adding SC judges to the list of appointments that can't be filibustered. Democrats will completly change their position on this move once that happens.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Republicans have already stated once they take back the senate, they will be adding SC judges to the list of appointments that can't be filibustered. Democrats will completly change their position on this move once that happens.

    I think it's pretty obvious that Harry Reid will hold the current rule until a Supreme Court Judge nomination comes up, and then he will change that too. Moreover, I'm pretty sure that his last act as a lame duck Senate Majority leader will be to reinstate the Filibuster rule and then scream blood murder if the big evil Republicans even hint at doing what he did.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    This is nothing but "wag the dog". Dem's are declaring war on reps to change the subject from the obamacare fiasco and it is already working.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Get back with me if the republicans win the senate next year and perhaps the white house in 2016 and just watch how many times this procedure is used by them to get everything they want passed and repealed. You must have a lot of trust in the republicans. The tooth paste is out of the tube and there is no putting it back. The senate rules state it take 67 votes to change them, but Reid used a loophole. That little loop hole will grow pretty darn big in the future. Big enough to drive a train through and then it will keep expanding.
    GEORGE WILL: There's no limiting principle in the principle that they're invoking, that is majorities should rule all the time. What this means is if in the spring of 2017 there is a Republican president, which there could be, the Republicans still hold the House and they have 51 Senators, they can repeal Obamacare with 51 votes. And I'm not sure the people who did this today have thought this through.
    George Will: New Filibuster Rules Could Lead To Repeal Of Obamacare
    (Emphasis mine)

    Exactly right.

    While Obama and the democrats are overjoyed to have the ability to pack the DC appeals court with their pro-ObamaCare stateist judges (it's been reported that they are the ones that will hear all the cases regarding ObamaCare regulation interpretation) me thinks that they just screwed ObamaCare into an earlier repeal than if they hadn't.

    Are they, and many others that support this law, still of the opinion that everyone'll love it and the repeal movement will lose all traction? I'm kinda doubting that. I see it as more likely to be a growing snowball rolling down hill and constantly getting bigger.

    A great political strategist he's not, in spite of the myths that say he is. This would appear to be just another example that he's not.

    Obama: The Myth of the Master Strategist | National Review Online

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    (Emphasis mine)

    Exactly right.

    While Obama and the democrats are overjoyed to have the ability to pack the DC appeals court with their pro-ObamaCare stateist judges (it's been reported that they are the ones that will hear all the cases regarding ObamaCare regulation interpretation) me thinks that they just screwed ObamaCare into an earlier repeal than if they hadn't.

    Are they, and many others that support this law, still of the opinion that everyone'll love it and the repeal movement will lose all traction? I'm kinda doubting that. I see it as more likely to be a growing snowball rolling down hill and constantly getting bigger.

    A great political strategist he's not, in spite of the myths that say he is. This would appear to be just another example that he's not.

    Obama: The Myth of the Master Strategist | National Review Online

    a bogus threat from a typically overstated george will
    by then Obamacare will be as 'easy' to repeal as a social security
    we already see that the GOP has nothing to offer to replace it
    don't think they intend to remove access to newly acquired healthcare from the vast numbers of its low information base
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a bogus threat from a typically overstated george will
    by then Obamacare will be as 'easy' to repeal as a social security
    we already see that the GOP has nothing to offer to replace it
    don't think they intend to remove access to newly acquired healthcare from the vast numbers of its low information base
    Vast numbers of newly acquired healthcare? Last I heard the vast numbers was medicare and medicaid signups, and not members that would contribute to the financial viability of Obamacare.

    No plan? Not quite.
    H.R. 3121. It's only been around since September
    http://rsc.scalise.house.gov/uploade...reform_act.pdf

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    I would prefer some level of coperation between the MS party; there isn't any. Hyperpartisanship means we are in constant gridlock mode.

    This is a political move for the DC Court of Appeals, but then EVERYTHING -i mean literally EVERYTHING in DC is politicized.

    The only way out is a coaltion type government (3rd party), but Americans "cling" to the duopoly.

    It's a mess, there isn't any really good answer: impasse isn't helpful, nor is simple majority rule.
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