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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I believe that the reason for this change is that enough Democrats finally realized that it was time to start doing what the American people sent them to Washington, D.C. to do

    Reid didn't make the decision to do this by himself.
    Reid is the biggest obstructionist in Congress, he hasn't passed a budget in years.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Harry Reid finally comes through

    The Senate has voted to change its rules so that a simple majority is required to confirm judicial nominations and executive branch picks — the so-called “nuclear option.”
    The final vote was 52-48. The previous threshold was 60 votes to bring such nominations to a final up-or-down vote.
    “The threshold for cloture on nominations not including the Supreme Court, is now a majority,” Sen Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), the Senate president pro temp, declared after the vote.
    Three Democrats voted with Republicans against the change: Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.). Levin is a longtime senator; Manchin and Pryor come from red states.
    Shortly after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office sent around a memo noting that the Senate has changed its procedures using a majority vote 18 times since 1977. Republicans, though, note that none of the changes rise to the level of today’s change.

    Senate approves nuclear option
    Great. That this even had to be voted on is the true travesty. A simple majority is all that should be needed. If one doesn't like it, work to elect your majority. The constitution, not floor rules, should run the voting practices of the House and Senate.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Great. That this even had to be voted on is the true travesty. A simple majority is all that should be needed. If one doesn't like it, work to elect your majority. The constitution, not floor rules, should run the voting practices of the House and Senate.
    Emphasis added by me.

    Then you may want to read the Constitution again. Specifically Article I, Section 5, Clause 2.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Reid is the biggest obstructionist in Congress, he hasn't passed a budget in years.



    Believe whatever you want to believe.

    The GOP made this happen with its unprecedented obstructionism based solely on politics.

    Any GOP Senators who can't deal with this should just retire, go home and stay there.

    If the GOP ever gets control of the Senate again, it can always change this to make it easier for the Democrats to block their agenda.

    Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Since republicans have already proven they're are willing to shut down the government for ideological reasons and to obstruct democracy, is there any doubt that Republicans wouldn't have changed the fillabuster rules if they controled the senate? The dems did the right thing.

    McConnell made a huge miscalculation in not letting the 3 federal judge appointments come to a vote. He didn't think Reid would change the filabuster rule, but after years of obstruction, not to mention the recent attempt to eliminate the three vacant seats, he forced the democrats hand and now instead of just 3 judge appointments....there will be 97 because of the long backlog of obstructed nominations. LOL

    It will be a very long time before Republicans can tilt the judiciary in their favor now.
    Looks like you and I watched the same episode of Rachel Maddow last night. I watched to see what her spin would be, not to repeat it here as you just did.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, who cares? And how is it hypocritical to say "we'll use it against you" then actually do it? How is that hypocrisy?
    Because theyre implying that democrats using it are bad. If they then use it, they are also bad. Hipocrasy by definition. By the way Mitch McConnel made the same threat yesterday.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It wasn't done during the Bush Administrations when Democrats filibustered so you...

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    FAIL ^^^
    I wasn't comparing to the Bush administration. The tea party take over of the GOP and their attempt to nullify Obama's presidency by shutting down the government and the unprecedented filibustering of all of his judicial appointments is all the evidence I need to know they wouldn't hesitate to change the filibuster rule if the shoe was on the other foot.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Reid is the biggest obstructionist in Congress, he hasn't passed a budget in years.
    The senate passed a budget this year.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it's academic now as the genie cannot be put back in the bottle
    but i prefer a more deliberative process, where more than a simple majority is required to effect major measures
    when a greater consensus is required, there is more likely going to be more compromise involved to reach it. the passed measures are going to be more moderate and less extreme than when a lesser number is required to move legislation/approve nominees. so, my prediction is this move will allow government to operate faster, but also in a way which allows those that are more extreme to prevail. and if there is anything we do not need in government today is more extremists - on both sides of the aisle
    Amen and Amen.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The senate passed a budget this year.
    CRA is not an annual budget bill.
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