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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    If you were looking at the present, you would be looking at all of the positions going unfilled in the Obama administation due to a GOP hell-bent on nullifying everything Obama--just say it, it's about nullifying Obama, a confederate thing .
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I am not so young that I don't remember the tyrannical nature of many communist states and there are lots of tyrannical states that are not socialist in nature today. But social democracy does not have to lead down any path ...it can be an end in itself.
    Look at modern Germany.
    Modern Germany is an amalgam of pro-socialist and pro-liberty ideals. While it has adopted a few concepts that could be representative of what a Social Democracy would look like it still has a very strong Capitalist core.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Let's just waste the remaining three years of Obama filibustering in the Senate and just saying NO to everything in the House..
    Not exactly a Reform position ..
    Oh I will continue to support the president on issues I think he is right on and against him on issues I think he is wrong on. It's Senator Reid I have a hard one for. I never did like him as he seemed to me to always put party over country along with his opposite. Today he just proved why I dislike him. I am not sure how the republican house reacted to all of this, but I think any future plans the President has is pretty much DOA unless somehow the Democrats can win the house back next year and as it looks today, that ain't gonna happen. But we will see what happens.

    Perhaps the good news is this put Obamacare on the second page.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    how does McConnell's position compare to that he had in 2005??
    which of the two faces of McConnell came first??
    is it okay to damn America now for what is perceived to have happened then?
    or do you believe what McConnell said about Obama ?
    McConnell position is 180 degrees from what it was.... he's just like Harry Reid in that regard.

    congratulations, you help show us that the 2 parties are led by hypocrites...



    if you think hypocrisy is bad, why are you embracing it so passionately?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

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    Gee you think it would have been a smart thing to appoint someone to be our UN Ambassador who is against the UN as a body? The genius of GW Bush is never to be overlooked....
    As oppose to someone who helped cover up an attack on a US consulate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    McConnell position is 180 degrees from what it was.... he's just like Harry Reid in that regard.

    congratulations, you help show us that the 2 parties are led by hypocrites...
    ****, I would be a happy hypocrite if I was in their shoes as well. I mean, why the hell not? It's not as if we have fully gotten what we wanted by being consistent.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Let's not get carried away here. The Constitution grants each chamber of Congress - House and Senate - to make their own rules. As such, the rules of each chamber are not "laws". They're just rules...guidelines on how business will be conducted within each respective chamber. Nothing more.

    Don't like the way the rules are, vote and change them. Granted, this particular rule change was a party-line vote, but for folks to act as if Republicans have never threatened to do this themselves is just two-faced. If both sides were really serious about doing "the will of the People", this would not be an issue. But instead, they're only out to either puff up their party OR punish the other side for not getting their way.
    I know the republicans threaten to do exactly what Reid did today back in 2005. But they didn't. So what better words to explain that back then than from one each Senator Obama and Senator Biden at the time.

    SENATOR BARACK OBAMA (D-ILLINOIS): The American people sent us here to be their voice. They understand that those voices can at times become loud and argumentative, but they also hope that we can disagree without being disagreeable. []

    What they don't expect is for one party - be it Republican or Democrat - to change the rules in the middle of the game so that they can make all the decisions while the other party is told to sit down and keep quiet. []

    The American people want less partisanship in this town, but everyone in this chamber knows that the majority chooses to end the filibuster. If they choose to change the rules and put an end to Democratic debate, then the fighting and the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse.

    Now I understand that Republicans are getting a lot of pressure to do this from factions outside the chamber, but we need to rise above the "ends justify the means" mentality because we're here to answer to the people - all of the people - not just the ones that are wearing our particular party label. []

    If the right of free and open debate is taken away from the minority party, and the millions of Americans who asked us to be their voice, I fear that the already partisan atmosphere in Washington will be poisoned to the point where no one will be able to agree on anything. That doesn't serve anyone's best interests, and it certainly isn't what the patriots who founded this democracy had in mind. We owe the people who sent us here more than that - we owe them much more.



    Speaking on the Senate floor in May of 2005, Biden said, "At its core, the filibuster is not about stopping a nominee or a bill, it's about compromise and moderation. The nuclear option extinguishes the power of independents and moderates in the Senate. That's it, they're done. Moderates are important if you need to get to 60 votes to satisfy cloture; they are much less so if you only need 50 votes. Let's set the historical record straight. Never has the Senate provided for a certainty that 51 votes could put someone on the bench or pass legislation."
    When the Senate was considering President George W. Bush's nomination of Judge Samuel Alito to the United States Supreme Court, Biden held out the prospect of a filibuster to block it. "If he really believes that reapportionment is a questionable decision then clearly, clearly, you'll find a lot of people, including me, willing to do whatever they can to keep him off the court," Biden said, adding, "That would include a filibuster, if need be."
    During his years in the Senate, Biden could be counted on to routinely join Democratic efforts to support filibusters of Republican programs--from the second President Bush's energy bill to the first President Bush's effort to cut the tax on capital gains in order to stimulate the U.S. economy and blunt the impact of the early-'90s recession. Now that he is vice president, and the entire Obama agenda is imperiled, he has changed his mind in an apparent deathbed conversion. It won't last.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It is not possible to get a vote today without the nuclear option as you say--how much more evidence do you need--I have never seen you talk in these riddles before-- as with PPACA--you now support stalemate and the GOP of NO--
    With the PPACA I am part of the 61% who opposes it per the CBS News poll of 11/15 - 11/18 on rcp as you are part of the 31% who favor it. Not a problem. So, are you saying one can't be for something that one may or may not get by playing within the rules? That in order to get what you want, you must change the rules in mid game? I have always been pro filibuster, I think that stops wild swings in legislation and stops one administration and congress from undoing everything the previous administration/congress accomplished before it.
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    Do we have in the country more dishonest people than President Obama and Vice President Biden? More recently, they were fighting for the preservation of this provision. Now, they have forgotten their words and say the exact opposite. Clearly, they were not ashamed. But here I am ashamed that we have such a president.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    this is just reid-hate-bull****
    Perhaps, but he was wrong in doing what he did today. He set a precedence, right or wrong he did it. now the question is how many more times in the future will that precedence be used?
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